at that point, what happens to him is between him and God.

Ok let me expand upon this further

You can either
1. shoot him in the leg, this forever cripples him but he will die naturally later on in life
2. you let him die and go to hell

i’d cripple him if i was certain that i wouldn’t kill him, of course.

I thought that fell under 'signifigant violence

i referred to entire removal of extremities, which almost always has a chance to end in death.

and such scenario wouldnt happen

unless its Saw

i didn’t say it was likely, i said i wouldn’t do it.

this all exists hypothetically.

So you seem to base your signifigant violence off of

"if it has a high risk of death"

chance of death basically yeah

if saving them means i’ll kill them, i’ve done nothing at all.

even though, the state wouldnt do that against you

unless youre being violent

sometimes it’s important to use a smaller violation of rights to prevent a much greater one.

unless you live in like, North Korea

so you believe in greater good

the example i like is from David D. Friedman

so why oppose me and alcohol man

his alcoholism will surely lead to his demise

because alcohol man’s life isn’t imminently threatened.

temporarily destroying his alcohol won’t solve his problem

yet you seem to agree with getting rid of things before they become threats

not really, no.

you shouldn’t do something unless it’s imminent.

so you wait before they start affecting you

or someone else, yes.

the alcoholism is affecting him

hence defense of myself and **others**

the suicide will affect him

if it isn’t going to kill him, there are ways to go about it that don’t involve violence.

if it kills him tomorrow, you could argue that it’s justified.

so you wait until the alcoholism starts becoming serious...?

wait until it’s an immediate threat to his life.

thats retarded

if it’s *going* to kill him, you can intervene with force.

And I know you will start saying "but its your son you have custody"

And for how long will you intervene?

but if my son starts smoking weed, I will do everything I can to stop it