Makes decisions about what

what other people do

whether the other people follow voluntarily or not

> libertarianism is fake like communism
@stem both ideas are totally valid in reasonable bordered spaces, like the almende was (that's where marx got in some parts his ideas from us christians)

Well ok there are natural born leaders if that's what you mean but there isn't a "leader" as in a nation leader

what's the difference?

the person whom others follow and who might use force to get others to follow

what is the real difference between following voluntarily and being coerced

a corporate manager has people do what he says partly because they need to make money and partly because they want to do what he says for whatever reason

same with national leaders

i mean, not the making money part

but maybe patriotism or whatever

and police force

taxes

You voluntarily signed a contract with the corporate manager and you can leave at any time

The difference is you didn't consent

That's like asking what's the difference between sex and rape

consent is only an emotion that you have

a way you feel about a decision

modern western nations are built on the idea of consent

and many people have felt that they were consenting to it

If you sign a document saying you consent to an action I'm pretty sure that's pretty much objectively accepted as you giving consent

what if you were starving?

Unlike a leader using force against you without any conractual agreements

what if all the property is owned by that guy

and you have none

then you have no choice but to work for him

Well ok are you going to get into semantics now

Obviously I don't mean that if someone points a gun at you and asks you to sign a document that is consent

I meant acting in good faith in all accounts

what if just by a series of accidents in a libertarian world, all the property ended up in the hands of one man

muh contractual consent is naive af

Again the crazy hypotheticals meme

Never ends

Dude do you know how many what ifs I could make about your system that you will never be able to find a solution towards

And realistic ones not crazy ones

Pointing to real life examples

since close to nothing moves in a reversed V formation in nature ... somewhat that following comes naturally

i'm using an extreme example but in real life you see wealth being redistributed all the time and not always for "good" reasons

not redistributed by the government

but just the distribution changing