Message from @EsmaDeus Freed

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2018-12-12 22:55:41 UTC  

1946 review of the surrender of japan and atomic bombings

2018-12-12 22:55:48 UTC  

macron really a son a bitch, one random guy say to macron i don't find work and what he find to return ? he say to the guy, you're just lazy, you just need to cross the road to find work...

2018-12-12 22:55:53 UTC  

its too long lmao

2018-12-12 22:55:56 UTC  

It depends on the time frame, the U.S was starting to lose money quickly from the war and needed to end it fast

2018-12-12 22:56:22 UTC  

"The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs did not defeat Japan, nor by the testimony of the enemy leaders who ended the war did they persuade Japan to accept unconditional surrender. The Emperor, the Lord Privy Seal, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, and the Navy Minister had decided as early as May of 1945 that the war should be ended even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms ...
The mission of the Suzuki government, appointed 7 April 1945, was to make peace. An appearance of negotiating for terms less onerous than unconditional surrender was maintained in order to contain the military and bureaucratic elements still determined on a final Bushido defense, and perhaps even more importantly to obtain freedom to create peace with a minimum of personal danger and internal obstruction. It seems clear, however, that in extremis the peacemakers would have peace, and peace on any terms. This was the gist of advice given to Hirohito by the Jushin in February, the declared conclusion of Kido in April, the underlying reason for Koiso's fall in April, the specific injunction of the Emperor to Suzuki on becoming premier which was known to all members of his cabinet ...
Negotiations for Russia to intercede began the forepart of May 1945 in both Tokyo and Moscow. Konoye, the intended emissary to the Soviets, stated to the Survey that while ostensibly he was to negotiate, he received direct and secret instructions from the Emperor to secure peace at any price, notwithstanding its severity ...

2018-12-12 22:56:25 UTC  

It seems clear ... that air supremacy and its later exploitation over Japan proper was the major factor which determined the timing of Japan's surrender and obviated any need for invasion.
Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945 [the date of the planned American invasion], Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

2018-12-12 22:56:49 UTC  

i would have provided a link but this is part of a source so

2018-12-12 22:56:52 UTC  

ctrl+c, ctrl+v

2018-12-12 22:56:56 UTC  

Yeah

2018-12-12 22:57:01 UTC  

im sending him the source

2018-12-12 22:57:04 UTC  

you know its a religion today

2018-12-12 22:57:50 UTC  

" even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms" they should have hurried up then and quit tying on votes to surrender

2018-12-12 22:57:56 UTC  

with this religion ctrl c+v is a way of praying so if you did copyright justice can't touch you in a bunch of country

2018-12-12 22:57:59 UTC  

and they never told us they were talking surrender

2018-12-12 22:58:08 UTC  

on allied terms

2018-12-12 22:58:37 UTC  

idk of thats a joke but its going over my head @EsmaDeus Freed

2018-12-12 22:58:48 UTC  

no its real

2018-12-12 22:58:52 UTC  

they went 3 times to neutral countries to try and discuss surrender

2018-12-12 22:59:03 UTC  

and the us intercepted japanese codes

2018-12-12 22:59:10 UTC  

(They had already broken the code)

2018-12-12 22:59:10 UTC  

i saw that it was like, wtf man the ones who created this religion are genius

2018-12-12 22:59:23 UTC  

and revealed information showing their wanting to end the war

2018-12-12 23:00:13 UTC  

i'm really suck at english <:GWqlabsYaoLUL:398950932206845972>

2018-12-12 23:00:37 UTC  

and we told them if they didn't hurry we would be fored to drop a big bomb

they didn't listen

we dropped another

It took them 3 days to agree on surrendering

2018-12-12 23:00:50 UTC  

lmao

2018-12-12 23:00:53 UTC  

"Big bomb"

2018-12-12 23:00:59 UTC  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2018-12-12 23:01:02 UTC  

why drop it in the first llave

2018-12-12 23:01:13 UTC  

llave?

2018-12-12 23:01:14 UTC  

Conventional bombing did the same exact thing

2018-12-12 23:01:18 UTC  

*place

2018-12-12 23:01:28 UTC  

the japanese had no effective air force or anti air defence

2018-12-12 23:01:32 UTC  

To test it

2018-12-12 23:01:38 UTC  

American aircraft and bombers had complete air superiority

2018-12-12 23:01:40 UTC  

Yes but

2018-12-12 23:01:46 UTC  

its not nevcesary to end the war

2018-12-12 23:01:50 UTC  

And its basically a war crime

2018-12-12 23:01:57 UTC  

youre intentionally killing 200k civilians

2018-12-12 23:02:19 UTC  

By that logic bombing japanese cities in general is war crime because it could kill civillians

2018-12-12 23:02:26 UTC  

hiroshima and nagasaki had no actual strategic valur

2018-12-12 23:02:30 UTC  

incorrect