The Gov. does.

The Gov. shouldn't be entered into the church or our biology.

fuck gov, I said companies, private companies

individuals

It would also really help to have women say aloud in mainstream what marriage is. Nobody ever talks about it by its real purpose/name. Even adults who fully know it/have experienced it. It would help to just have older men sit down both men and women and explain how marriages by average tend to go down, financially and emotionally.

I don't want companies to do it either.

If you put money on marriage it is prostitution.

It cheapens it.

I think each individual should define the terms of the marital contract.

Agreed

Well, since we know that women can't "love" us, they only reasonable way we could move forward would be the concubine route. Basic food,water, shelter and basic clothing in exchange for sex and children.

then marriage mean nothing unless is unbreakable

@HonorSword but in the revered ultra patriarchy, that is exactly what happens since only men would be allowed to work

Marriage without love would be weird for me.

@LOGICWINS That would be ideal

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@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) Women still worked.

There is a difference between a wife and a prostitute.

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@HonorSword Yeah, the prostitute actually leaves after rendering services.

just a little

You can make your own choice.

I think that building a micro society for MGTOW would be ideal

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Funny thing is, most women wouldn't mind being a concubine

@Xychotic workED. Now, keeping ahouse in order takes an hour or 2 a day

Women will do whatever we agree on.

Marriage needs to be different from prostitution.

What if you could pay for a woman to have your children without them having any rights to the child?

Otherwise it isn't marriage at all.

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) I mean stuff like scullery maid and whatnot.

@Roko That's a thing. It's called surrogacy.

MArriage is a deal, trade resources for sex

I've been suggesting it for a while.

Surrogacy exists, but you remove the female from the child's development.

I know, but are there downsides within the current surrogacy framework?

@Xychotic ah yes... those were singles or so poor that they had to supplement their husband's income

That's maybe less than perfect but it's better than removing the male from the child's development.

Marriage isn't a deal.

and even in islam and old europe

It is a religious act.