@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) I mean stuff like scullery maid and whatnot.

@Roko That's a thing. It's called surrogacy.

MArriage is a deal, trade resources for sex

I've been suggesting it for a while.

Surrogacy exists, but you remove the female from the child's development.

I know, but are there downsides within the current surrogacy framework?

@Xychotic ah yes... those were singles or so poor that they had to supplement their husband's income

That's maybe less than perfect but it's better than removing the male from the child's development.

Marriage isn't a deal.

and even in islam and old europe

It is a religious act.

What people are calling Marriage today is an abomination and prostitution.

in earlier cultures, *everything* was a religious act.

I think the current evolving concept of high taxation and every man being a surrogate father through state is disgraceful.

No alpha would do it.

It's unnatural as hell

What's hers is hers, what his is everyone's. This applies in islam and it applied in preindustrial europe

I use to be protestant @HonorSword but human nature and marriage don't get really well you know

worse

@OutS1D3R Human nature? What do you mean by this exactly?

Marriage is dead, look on asia countries that has developed

I want to just say this to any man that will possibly end up old without children and family (After wanting both). Your taxes made sure a lot of bastards got taken care of. Your valuable work provided plenty of happiness, to others.

Let's say you are a muslim man... by islamic law, your wife has no obligation to chip in to the household's income, youi will have to pay her job releated expenses, and pay HER taxes

It's a disgrace 😄

Yeah, but in islam, she's a second class citizen and a man is always expected to be looking after her.

which is why often in the west muslim men hold 2 jobs while they wife stays

@OutS1D3R In my view marriage is a religious act, what is happening now is prostitution of the State.

She's basically considered a big child that can either create more big children or men.

@HonorSword she will never love you as a living creature, she cant

@Xychotic and one would have to be very thirsty to accept that raw deal

So men haven't been getting married for a long time just been getting together with prostitutes.

Divorce is the payment.

Wife and prostitute...what is the difference?

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) At the basest level, that's the animal instinct. The raw biological drive to feed, fight, and fuck.

Serious question.

the expactation of fidelity

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@HonorSword are you mgtow?

A wife doesn't get money by divorce.

A prostitute does.

A wifestitute