guess im just a racist then

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Well you can go back over that data. They were consistently improving throughout the period up until fairly recently. There's this great interview with Sowell where the white liberal interviewer says," But they haven't caught up with whites."

Like a boss Sowell says, "Well whites haven't stayed still."

The problem is, and I think this is Murrray's point, if we continue down this path toward toward European stile SucDem we could all fall back to what happened to black Americans. Except a few liberal elites.

american everyone has a better go at it, that's one of the reasons people try to come here.

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Well read *Coming Apart* because his data indicates that it is already happening.

see now i think blacks have a valid claim to america because i mean shit their families have been here as long as a lot of ours have. the first blacks were here in 1650.

but now technically if we care about the blacks in america "catching up" to whites... then we would want to restrict immigration of hispanics

so my stance on immigration still remains unchanged.

what are you talking about?

because hispanic immigration puts downward pressure on wages, and also takes up educational resources and so on. so you know, whether nonwhites are capable of catching up to whites or not, doesnt really change my position on immigration

not having mass immigration benefits all americans really. regardless of race

immigration needs to be at a level where the people comeing in will integrate, other then that i don't care.

we're full

end it all

no killzone, we are not even close to full.

we have had 60 million plus people since 1965, yea i think its time to step back and handle our newcomers for some time

maybe if you like city living

I favor *legal* immigration. Now here's the thing *legally* we naturalize about 600K citizens a year. That's nothing. We can totally integrate that with no issue. That's not the problem.

but importing people doesn't really help the poor of the world anyway.

if my neighbors are closer than 500 acres thats crampt

Killzone, have you ever been out west?

i disagree TEB

some

id say that according to data, 200,000 people leave the US each year. so we can reasonably naturalize 200,000 just to maintain population

there is plenty of land out there, and plenty of it can't be grown on anyways.

I love it out West. I got a place I rent sometimes in NM right on the Rio. Beautiful country out there.

but other then that we need to step back up and integrate these people and build our communities back up

the immigrants of the past are very different then the ones that come today

yes, right now we do need to need to stop people comeing into our country till we can get it really nailed down who we are and who we will let in.

we throw away like 40% of our food. so its not like we need more land to farm

the ones that come today plant their flag at the law enforcement checkpoints that they overrun lol

and we need to stop giveing handouts to immigrants.

handouts are bad anyway, but giveing free money just for knocking at your door won't last long.

we need to create better tax incentives for businesses to donate food rather than throw it away.

They have the hot springs where the geothermal just pushes out hot mineral water. I just soak in it and look out at the desert. Gonna retire out there.

the dems literally proposed giving free healthcare to illegal immigrants

i mean... now that is bat shit insane.

one of the big issues we need to consider is that... the dems push immigration into battleground states like texas and florida

I don't think lack of food in the US is even close to a problem.
the starveing people here have other problems that lead to that.

they do this because they want to be able to use a voting block that they pay money to vote for them, so that they can just outright win elections