yes, most "gun crime" is gang related, that's one of the reasons the idea of gun controll is so silly.

I mean, it's not like the guns were made by them, they got them from somewhere

Stolen most likely

or bought or whatever.

don't know why who made them matters at all.

I meant it's not like they fashioned them themselves

still don't know why that matters?

They were legal at one point

In my eyes gun control encompasses teaching the safety of keeping guns, so they can't get stolen

well you might want to start with some of the police, but I don't think that's really the problem.

no law you make will ever secure the guns well enough.

check out "lockpickinglawyer" on youtube to see just how weak locks really are.

not to mention if you have the gun for selfdefence you kinda want it ready to rock.

dunno, the 3d printed firearm movement is gaining traction

as mentioned before, you can make a gun with a metal pipe and a nail.

and there's still no legal precident being developed to address it

at least not nearly quick enough

whether it be for or against

there doesn't need to be, the law abideing will continure to be law abideing and the crims will still be the crims.

that's a fantastically juvenile simplification

seems like most gun enforcement i hear about is going after the law abideing who are just trying to do their best.

Looks at Virginia. Hoping for a Boogaloo.

true enough, that still doesn't justify that bizarre statement

they can't even keep guns out of the hands of people who are on probation with extra restrictions on haveing guns.

and a legal framework to mete out where 3d printed firearms sit in regard to the law is important

legal ambiguity should be avoided at all costs

because it can be easily exploited by tyrannical government

ok that's fair, but it would be better to just assume that the government has no right to regulate guns.

I would say they have a right in firearm production.

you can make restrictions for people who have comited a crime fine, but as it stands right now even thouse people still get guns so.

production, not distribution, sale or possession

not in the US they shouldn't, for any of those.

it has been proven that the government is a failure at preventing firearms form getting to the bad guys, they would be better off normaliseing open carry.
the protests in VA not to long ago proves that a well armed population is a peacefull population.

even Antifa was well behaved there.

you say that, but if it gets to a point where cheaply printed guns are horning in on the market of big names like Sig or Remmington, you'll find lobbyists who say different

and as of now, money speaks louder than principles

until 3d printing can match the quality and scale of proper firearm manufacturing thats not going to happen

soooooo..... you think because the busness will lobby the government the government should have the power to regulate?

Well, antifa was outnumbered.

No, I'm saying the government should set a precident before corporations set it for them

then they should set a precident of "this is not out place" but they seem to want to make laws for anything and everything.