@oblongy right, but Urban slums and overpopulation are regressive, not progressive (literally speaking, not refering to the ideology )

...which does not mean they cannot be better.

Agreed, @oblongy.

What drove people to engage in urban planning was the scalability to begin with, Ethreen.

Urban areas are able to be vastly more productive at a fraction of the resource allocation required for rural areas.

That's why most rural areas can't even desalinate.

Likewise, the rural, agricultural, economies, and their sense of purpose, tradition, and commitment, should not be dismissed.

And it's not an ideology, it happens naturally, because people choose to move to areas with the scalability rendering these benefits. Human action is primarily driven by utility.

Australia for example has turned entire ecosystems into massive Urban centres because of population growth caused by mass migration, overpopulation has resulted in bloated cities and extreme urbanization which is undesirable, our population is 25 million when we should never of gone higher then 20 Million, though imo 15 million would be the ideal number

Fixed numbers are not progressive

and we're expected to reach up to 40 million, which is completely unsustainable without destroying entire ecosystems

"Green" solutions also dont work since they're the ones flooding the country and banning environment saving methods like back burning

You have really lost your mind.

The pace of change should be matched by adaptions. However, most modern economies are perverse

You have so much land that hasn't been settled on, Ethreen.

Average American, that land that hasn't been settled cant be settled you mong

because half of it is desert

Imagine if this argument was made for even those coastal areas you've settled on, which are facing China, of which are attractive due to trade with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbVq5balFGU

You'd be frozen in time.

The sun could belch next week and literally sterilise 80% of the land mass

Jeremy that map you posted clearly shows you know nothing of Australian geography

I'm just going to weigh in with a comment that I would like to preserve our environment because of its beauty.

Each nation has natural heritage in its borders and to scar or destroy them is not what I want.

It doesn't matter.

even school children know why that land hasn't been settled

It's still unsettled land.

It's uninhabitable.

it can't be settled, that's the point

That's like saying we should all move to Antarctica.

jesus christ Jeremy can you use one of your two braincells for a second

Have you ever seen those domiciles carved into the sides of mountain rock?

Anyone up for settling the whole of Siberia.

Humans can adapt to whatever your landmass has to offer, that I can assure you, @Ethreen42.

Pretty sure humans change the environment precisely because we're *incapable* of that @Jeremy

And?

And?

Yes, and?

What else is there to say.

Who cares.

National parks are a wonderful idea, likewise so is the idea of urban greenery but then you end up with crap like green belt and planning laws which ensure ugly, short lived, interest driven crap is built