so- you admit that your selfish survival requirements take up more space than urban monkies?

There is no turning back, @Ethreen42. Attempts to centrally plan the economy for ecological reasons will only stymie any technological advancement and require further resources allocated to produce the same amount as beforehand, which is neither good for the environment or our species.

These environmentalists, they're not the smartest

Indeed.

"There is no turning back" doubt. "attempts to centrally plan the economy" never once said that but ok.

Then what's your point?

Why are you implying there's something you can do?

"so- you admit that your selfish survival requirements take up more space than urban monkies?" You'd have to be quite low IQ to even assume that's even close to what I was saying

You're implying there's something you can do with the State.

but you're doing it, is my point 🙂

@Jeremy Not turning entire nations into overpopulated urban slums is a start

That's more a byproduct of urban planning by municipalities anyway.

Not the fault of capitalism.

@Ethreen42 I don't give a fuck what you say, actions speak louder than words and like all environmentalists, one merely has to look at their actions to see how full of shit they are, just-like-celebrities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6GaL6kYiL8

here's a recent example

Red whats you point? "actions speak louder than words and like all environmentalists" I seriously doubt planting trees and recycling is enough to make you a shit person

Ok you've provided a example of a progressive, so what?

she isn't even a environmentalist, she's a climate cultist

You mean, a regressive.

Just like your value for life.

ooo, ppssh, potato potahto

ugh

I did know who I'm supposed to root for here tbh.

Urban and industrial conurbations have been essential for our progress socially and technologically

Welcome to Athens

In not fucking new

it's rhetorical, don't be sensitive

No

fine 😦

@oblongy right, but Urban slums and overpopulation are regressive, not progressive (literally speaking, not refering to the ideology )

...which does not mean they cannot be better.

Agreed, @oblongy.

What drove people to engage in urban planning was the scalability to begin with, Ethreen.

Urban areas are able to be vastly more productive at a fraction of the resource allocation required for rural areas.

That's why most rural areas can't even desalinate.

Likewise, the rural, agricultural, economies, and their sense of purpose, tradition, and commitment, should not be dismissed.

And it's not an ideology, it happens naturally, because people choose to move to areas with the scalability rendering these benefits. Human action is primarily driven by utility.

Australia for example has turned entire ecosystems into massive Urban centres because of population growth caused by mass migration, overpopulation has resulted in bloated cities and extreme urbanization which is undesirable, our population is 25 million when we should never of gone higher then 20 Million, though imo 15 million would be the ideal number

Fixed numbers are not progressive

and we're expected to reach up to 40 million, which is completely unsustainable without destroying entire ecosystems