Message from @unwoundtoast

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2019-07-10 14:30:21 UTC  

Pretty new to libertarianism but I think there should still be some form of a state

2019-07-10 14:33:42 UTC  

Give it time, you should eventually see that voluntarism is the only consistently moral solution

2019-07-10 14:56:25 UTC  

If a person is born with a rare disease and has to take a medicine that costs thousands of dollars per year, who pays for it?

2019-07-10 15:39:45 UTC  

Probably the parents, potentialy assisted by charitable organizations. In a society that's voluntary enough, the person would likely have the legal option of suicide before taking responsibility for paying for their own rare disease.

If possible, it might be good to show the evidence of the disease prior to birth so that the development can be halted well before birth occurs, mimimizing the likelihood that parents would be faced with an undue natural burden.

A voluntary society probably wouldn't want to force parents to pay for childcare, but it would be hugely unethical to simply let the child suffer and die after birth just to avoid them being an involuntary burden on anyone.

Give the parents the choice as early as possible whether or not they want to assume responsibility for a child with a rare disease. That way if they're required to shoulder the burden, it was voluntary and not just a random natural dice roll that forced them into an unforseen debt.

Frankly, I'm not sure how a voluntary society would handle orphaned, abandoned or abused children. Litigation against the parents might sometimes be an option, but you would need to fund any sort of foster care program. Ideally, that could be done through donations, but if that doesn't work you'd need members of the society to step up and assume moral responsibility for these unfortunate kids. Probably there would be some combination of the above methods.

Another alternative might be child insurance, whereby prospective parents could pay into a system that would help support their child in the event of unforseen circumstances. Parents who don't get this insurance would risk being shunned or facing a lawsuit or something if they child is harmed due to their lack of foresight.

Lots of market-based options, really. If a state wanted to step in, they'd have to find a way to accomplish their goals without taxes or authoritarian force.

2019-07-10 15:40:03 UTC  

Oh boy, that post was longer than I anticipated.

2019-07-10 15:46:41 UTC  

TL;DR use your imagination. the only limit is the consent

2019-07-10 15:50:24 UTC  

Personally this is one area where I think some stretching of government power might be justified, seeing as how no one can consent to being born. If a parent wants to have a child, they should properly account for the well-being of the child, otherwise that could be seen as acting against the consent of the future child. I mean, would a reasonable person consent to being born into a family that hadn't accounted for their well-being?

2019-07-10 16:04:36 UTC  

"legal option of suicide" shouldn't even be a phrase that exists lol

2019-07-10 16:05:54 UTC  

You mean it should be so universally understood as a human right that the law shouldn't step in? Or suicide should never be an option that's permitted under the law?

2019-07-10 16:08:28 UTC  

Personally I think it should be understood as an individual right. If society won't even let us die on our own terms, then we're basically the chattel of society.

2019-07-10 16:08:34 UTC  

My god, could you please stop saying shitty things?

2019-07-10 16:09:22 UTC  

My god, could you please have adult maturity and an ego secure enough not to just shit on people's ideas to make your own look better?

2019-07-10 16:09:39 UTC  

I don’t need to shit on them, because that’s how you made them

2019-07-10 16:09:51 UTC  

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2019-07-10 16:10:08 UTC  

Get over yourself

2019-07-10 16:10:09 UTC  

No, any other reasonable person would just recognize this as a normal exchange of ideas. You are the one who needs to call them shitty.

2019-07-10 16:10:20 UTC  

Calling them shitty is just the same exchange

2019-07-10 16:10:29 UTC  

Sorry it’s so far beneath your royalty

2019-07-10 16:10:45 UTC  

But I show bad ideas no respect

2019-07-10 16:10:53 UTC  

So if you have a problem with that, go away

2019-07-10 16:11:26 UTC  

You put your idea here of your own volition

2019-07-10 16:11:31 UTC  

There's a difference between disrespecting ideas and implying that everything I say is shitty.

2019-07-10 16:11:34 UTC  

I’m going to critique it however I see fit

2019-07-10 16:11:47 UTC  

@SinSanguine then say something worthwhile

2019-07-10 16:11:54 UTC  

I don’t comment on everything you say

2019-07-10 16:12:04 UTC  

Jesus Christ, get over yourself

2019-07-10 16:12:11 UTC  

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2019-07-10 16:12:44 UTC  

I’m not going to control my speech differently for you or anyone else

2019-07-10 16:13:01 UTC  

I speak my mind when I am sure

2019-07-10 16:13:32 UTC  

Good. Then I won't stop you. Say what you please!

2019-07-10 16:14:01 UTC  

Suicide is not a right in and of itself, it is merely an extension of self ownership

2019-07-10 16:14:14 UTC  

Instead the right is against coercive intervention

2019-07-10 16:15:21 UTC  

Not only that, but the failure of your imagination is irrelevant to how a voluntary society would or can function

2019-07-10 16:17:26 UTC  

This is part of why you lot need to stop making posits on pragmatics

2019-07-10 16:17:41 UTC  

I’m not going to control my speech differently for you or anyone else

2019-07-10 16:17:59 UTC  

Then continue making shit

2019-07-10 16:18:05 UTC  

I would love to

2019-07-10 16:18:06 UTC  

Don’t get pissy when I call you out

2019-07-10 16:18:21 UTC  

By all means!

2019-07-10 16:18:32 UTC  

If you want to keep saying useless drivel, you are free to do so

2019-07-10 16:18:40 UTC  

Right back at ya