new liberal

the modern left

neoliberal is bnasically a globalist

no

thats just the new left

basically post port huron shit

Jeb Bush wants the same immigration policy that liberals want

let em all in

that's globalist

globalist is neoliberal

yes

neoliberal is for free trade

its an economic incentive

the only reason refugees are a thing in developed countries

is that we are lacking labor

So you said Trump is a neo-liberal? I don't see him pushing for a loose border or immigration

the opposite actually

"Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism"

trump is only holding that view because thats what made him win the election

Okay I think we are talking about two different things now

yeah

so if he's not holding neoliberal values, how is he a neoliberal

I don't know

this is why labels are shitty here

no kiddin

jeb and trump are both neolib

this conversation is a good example of why labels are shit

yeah

look at how confusing this is

well

theyre also nuanced

the best i can say is that trump is a neolib and a conservative, jeb is a neolib and a neocon, hillary is a neolib neocon democrat

yeah its a mess

US politics are ass

What neoconservatives really dislike about their “allies” among traditional conservatives is simply the fact that the conservatives are conservatives at all—that they support “this notion of a Christian civilization,” as Midge Decter put it, that they oppose mass immigration, that they criticize Martin Luther King and reject the racial dispossession of white Western culture, that they support or approve of Joe McCarthy, that they entertain doubts or strong disagreement over American foreign policy in the Middle East, that they oppose reckless involvement in foreign wars and foreign entanglements, and that, in company with the Founding Fathers of the United States, they reject the concept of a pure democracy and the belief that the United States is or should evolve toward it. ”

—Samuel T. Francis.

I oppose mass immigrations, I don't want anymore wars in the middle east for Isreal, I don't want a welfare state

this is what they want

spliter of splinter of splinter of splinter

chaos

so nobody can coherently band together and get anything done

that's true