https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGBXNXdjcLo

Here's my theory on why neither Toyota or Subaru will increase the power:

They're contractually obligated to not compete against each other in some way, and have to come to an agreement to offer a more powerful version at the same time so as not to encroach on each others profits.

the car is literally built by subaru regardless of the badge on it

the most likely reason they're not putting a turbo on it is because toyota don't want it to get in the way of the new... "supra"

or they just don't care about it

If that were true, Subaru would have added a turbo already.

not when it's the same car, it's a joint venture

you won't get one manufacturer offering literally the same car if the other doesn't also offer that

subaru may not want their own wrx sales impacted either

unlikely since it's in a different sector

but still

So that leads back to Toyota having a contract with Subaru, and preventing them from possibly encroaching on their Supra sales?

I mean there's no doubt that subaru and toyota have a contract since they codeveloped the car and toyota outsource the production to subaru entirely, and it has a subaru engine

All I'm saying is, that it's not out of incompetence that the two of them haven't added a turbo or supercharger yet.

I don't think it comes down to incompetence at all, my expectation is people high up in toyota are flat out rejecting any kind of performance vehicles under their brand

considering the new supra is basically a BMW and toyota have already "suggested" 2jz swaps should be done to the bottom engine model

it's almost an admittance of failure, and I'm betting it's because toyota is pushing to be eco friendly and performance vehicles don't fit their company profile

The Koreans seem like they're overtaking the Japanese these days in product range...

It's because it would compete with the WRX

That's literally why lol the frs is the Miata competitor the WRX is the next tier up

You didn't even answer the question, or stay relevant lol

What, why the 86 is slow as shit?

Everyone who buys them immediately rices them anyway

Why *either* car is slow as shit, and why they *refuse* to add more power. The car doesn't compete with the Impreza whatsoever

Because it would ruin the handling they market so hard

For one

More power means more weight

Anyways

I call bullshit

Between Toyota and Subaru the 250+ hp gap is more than filled by other cars

You have..... the WRX. At 300hp, with AWD and a sedan.

The BRZ is 200hp (with 150tq). Put on a small, simple supercharger (what, 20lbs max?) And it'd be ideal.

Also, lawyers. A lightweight 250-300hp rwd coupe is bad news for automakers trying to keep a family car image

superchargers are a nope because of european emissions

The WRX isn't 300hp

It's 304, dude

The WRX STI is which is an entirely different market segment

See GTI vs Golf R, Fucus ST vs RS, etc

Oh, w/e. Still gay.

The base model WRX makes 268

Or a GTI with a mild tune in other words...

Ahhh.... so more power in the BRZ would actually make it *better* than the WRX. Lighter, RWD, same power.