Message from @Smak64

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2018-01-13 07:23:42 UTC  

for a long time

2018-01-13 07:23:46 UTC  

because europe was at war all the damn time, there was a constant armsrace in every category

2018-01-13 07:23:55 UTC  

I say geography played a big role in who won

2018-01-13 07:24:19 UTC  

The problem after the black plague was the labour shortage

2018-01-13 07:24:40 UTC  

The reaction to this one issue caused a difference in the future development of Europe

2018-01-13 07:26:00 UTC  

I vaguely recall the labor shortage

2018-01-13 07:26:08 UTC  

how did this affect things

2018-01-13 07:27:06 UTC  

In the east the more organised governments and more powerful lords meant that they simply forced peasants to work harder and longer and gave them less freedoms, creating serfdom
In the west the less organised governments and less powerful lords meant that they couldn't do that, so they had to relax a bit and adapt more to how the peasants were exploiting their new found power

2018-01-13 07:27:37 UTC  

And serfdom is a massive reason why the east just never had a chance against western europe

2018-01-13 07:27:56 UTC  

They held themselves back

2018-01-13 07:29:22 UTC  

I mean... feudalism was still in effect in France and Britain after the plague, wasn't it?

2018-01-13 07:29:36 UTC  

Oh yeah

2018-01-13 07:29:44 UTC  

Look east europe is flat, easy to invade. West eroupe has more mountans, to hide in, and there is the british isles, u need boats to invade.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/401638937606619136/9k.png

2018-01-13 07:29:45 UTC  

You don't change an entire system overnight

2018-01-13 07:30:16 UTC  

@zoopokemon kind of, except that big flat bit has a bitch of a winter

2018-01-13 07:30:23 UTC  

well... Britain and France took different paths

2018-01-13 07:30:28 UTC  

Always ends in a russian winter, as they say

2018-01-13 07:31:06 UTC  

Of course they did Apoth

2018-01-13 07:31:12 UTC  

Britain separated early from the Catholic church, avoided the thirty years war, and had several civil wars where they fought off abolutism in their monarchies and Catholic rule

2018-01-13 07:31:49 UTC  

France also tried to discover the republic. Five times.

2018-01-13 07:31:55 UTC  

Waiting on their sixth go at it.

2018-01-13 07:32:11 UTC  

but France went the path of a separated Catholic church (the pope of Avignon), then crushing their Hugenot Protestants, then asserting abolutist monarchy under Louis 14th after the thirty years war

2018-01-13 07:32:29 UTC  

Ye

2018-01-13 07:32:36 UTC  

and that's why we look down on the French

2018-01-13 07:32:43 UTC  

cause they backward ass monkeys

2018-01-13 07:34:44 UTC  

as different as they were

2018-01-13 07:35:12 UTC  

this doesn't compare to the difference between themselves and East Asians and Sub-Saharan Africans

2018-01-13 07:35:25 UTC  

You're right there

2018-01-13 07:38:38 UTC  

Didn't Eastern Europe struggle because they were unable to centralize any power? They were just little bit more unwilling to concede to a large centralized authority I guess?

2018-01-13 07:40:13 UTC  

but I'm still on the 1700s, things likely changed in the 1800s

2018-01-13 07:40:30 UTC  

Germans are known for their orderliness

2018-01-13 07:41:38 UTC  

LOL look a germany talk about not wanting to centralize power

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/401641932037816321/1700.png

2018-01-13 07:41:41 UTC  

No, Eastern Europe had plenty of centralised power, I mean under that logic the UK would have struggled but we became the greatest nation in existance and that ever will be

2018-01-13 07:43:30 UTC  

I mean... there were like 300 German states only loosely under the authority of the Holy Roman Empire until the Thirty Year's War

2018-01-13 07:43:52 UTC  

and then they were pretty much independent after that

2018-01-13 07:43:58 UTC  

Germany isn't eastern Europe chap

2018-01-13 07:44:15 UTC  

oh my bad lol

2018-01-13 07:44:33 UTC  

They were more like a mix of both

2018-01-13 07:44:35 UTC  

tbh

2018-01-13 07:45:13 UTC  

They had serfdom despite their divided nature, largely because they were I guess what you could call "small scale authoritarians"

2018-01-13 07:45:13 UTC  

okay yes their serfdom got worse and worse