Message from @Capitán Alatriste

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2018-08-09 02:06:44 UTC  

But that does not help when you do not have the transport to get the grain where it need to go

2018-08-09 02:06:59 UTC  

Siberia for example

2018-08-09 02:06:59 UTC  

Thats where the central state steps in

2018-08-09 02:07:30 UTC  

tribalism

2018-08-09 02:07:31 UTC  

Yes and look at how well of a job they did

2018-08-09 02:07:41 UTC  

Or regionalism

2018-08-09 02:07:46 UTC  

did well for germany

2018-08-09 02:08:21 UTC  

As well since they only care about their local groups. Then national defense is out

2018-08-09 02:08:24 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/476934746782564383/3BB6B4F200000578-0-image-a-22_1483101155805.jpg

2018-08-09 02:08:31 UTC  

Just a bunch of fiefdom armies

2018-08-09 02:08:40 UTC  

National defence would be task for the central state

2018-08-09 02:08:41 UTC  

They needed to eat something

2018-08-09 02:08:51 UTC  

So people it was

2018-08-09 02:09:29 UTC  

There wouldnt be one. As they would be to busy with their small fiefs and not care about the central state. As well a central state would nullify communism and breed another stalin, mao, or pol pot

2018-08-09 02:09:46 UTC  

Basically the state would take care of infrastructure, defence, justice and police, and thr regions of production

2018-08-09 02:10:04 UTC  

Stalin existed because he was nessesary

2018-08-09 02:10:11 UTC  

Not very marxist

2018-08-09 02:10:38 UTC  

And again the central being in charge of the defense and infrastructure just means an opening for human nature to want more

2018-08-09 02:10:38 UTC  

Critical theory goes out the window when you have to fight to exist

2018-08-09 02:11:07 UTC  

Even most marxist admitted this during ww2

2018-08-09 02:11:29 UTC  

The wants of the proletariat would be put on the list of needs and evaluate their importance collectivelly

2018-08-09 02:12:04 UTC  

Ie need a new car or need a need tractor, tractor would ve chosen

2018-08-09 02:12:09 UTC  

So heirarchy is ok if it means you have to fight to survive?

2018-08-09 02:12:29 UTC  

Hierarchy is anti communist

2018-08-09 02:12:38 UTC  

You just created a class

2018-08-09 02:12:50 UTC  

one who dictates where resources are better suited

2018-08-09 02:12:53 UTC  

Hierarchy will always be present in society, it's ridiculous to argue against it

2018-08-09 02:13:00 UTC  

A military class whos labor everyone exploits

2018-08-09 02:13:18 UTC  

So how can you have a classless society?

2018-08-09 02:13:26 UTC  

An opening for a bright eyed general to exploit

2018-08-09 02:13:47 UTC  

There would be the worker class, the bureaucratic class, the judiciary class and military (drafted civilians)

2018-08-09 02:14:06 UTC  

So there are not officers in the military?

2018-08-09 02:14:22 UTC  

Officers and lower enlisted

2018-08-09 02:14:28 UTC  

Do drafted armies not have officers?

2018-08-09 02:14:40 UTC  

They would not be drafted

2018-08-09 02:14:42 UTC  

You just said communism was classless

2018-08-09 02:14:54 UTC  

Officers are never draftees

2018-08-09 02:15:00 UTC  

Most of the time

2018-08-09 02:15:10 UTC  

Officers are taken through volunteers that undergo military academic training

2018-08-09 02:15:12 UTC  

It does happen on occasions

2018-08-09 02:15:20 UTC  

Very rare