not very much actually. though i am religious and feel that religion is a good path to mortality, i see human beings as highly complicated creatures who are capable of reason in many different ways. a catholic, a jew, and an atheist may come to 'mortality' on different paths, but in the end they end up agreeing more than they disagree when it comes to right and wrong.

granted, you always have those people whose path led them to justifying things that are not right, in the name of being right. a christian who thinks gayness is evil, a muslim who thinks 'others' are evil, and atheist who thinks religion is itself evil, and so on

Those would be based on theory, not proof. It's like if a bunch of groups theorized what the shape of earth and then got proved it was a globe shape and either had to give into the facts or be provably delusional.

Think of it like religion even.

If the Christian God, the supernatural one, was proven to be real and created reality and the people in it, that would have a massively interesting effect on both Christians who just had faith, and atheists who just didn't believe it at all.

when you say 'prove', by which method do you mean? philosophy is not something that can be proven through something scientific

Agnostics would be like “neat”

@Cirno I think god coming down and being like “yup, I exist” would be pretty solid proof assuming it did something godlike

@Cirno - Science was born of philosphy. Science just has a way of proving things via logic and facts.

Well

Such logic as: A + B = C

Not really

Science is more a method

To get as close to the truth as we can

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_calculus

Not necessarily proving things

Most things in science are just very very sound theories that have been tested and refined

But it’s hard to actually prove something

And math is more of a concept, so you can prove stuff there

But as far as our reality goes, it’s much harder to prove stuff

There are two types of hypothesis in science. The kind with no ability to have hidden variables and the kind that most certainly will have hidden variables.

Can I get an example of one with no ability to have hidden variables?

A simple lever and how much weight it will move with x amount of force applied at any particular point of the lever.

As an ideal model, sure

But when you try to implement it into reality you introduce the possibility of hidden variables

No idea what you said.

Sorry

Hold on

(note: I'm a mech engineer)

Edited

To quote a philosophy major from my school

“You can’t prove that he even exists”

So how are you supposed to prove the lever is exerting x amount of force

That statement is wholly irrational.

If you can’t even prove the lever exists

You can argue you perceive the lever

But that doesn’t necessarily mean it exists

When someone introduces a statement like that, the value of the conversation is as useful as trying to teach calculus to a brick wall.

NOTE: I will not attempt to teach a brick wall calculus.

What I’m saying is

I know what you are saying.