You're the one advocating this massive change and you think I'm the one who needs to give you evidence? Everybody can recognize the shortcomings of our systems, they are obvious and there's always improvements to be made. You want to change it at a fundamental level, and you haven't given any solid reason for even making the attempt. So you advocate a radical change to policing because, like everyone else, you can see problems with it, and make the assumption, which you haven't substantiated, that the alternative you want would be better. My point is that doing such a thing is at best woefully irresponsible.

As well the state has no requiremebt to accept anyone else into the judicial system

*Massive change?*

The "massive change" was when we took away people's ability to choose who protects their property for them

There is a reason security details pass off to law enforcement

You don't think private ownership of police is a massive change?

And arnt just vigilantes

I think the monopolization on property protection is a recent invention in the US

There hasnt been personal choice like that since tribal times

Only about 100 years actually

No before the us the brits did it. Before that local lords, before that romans

There have always been "police forces" in different appearance

Cities used to offer charters to private police units all the time

This is like noticing a small fire in one's house and deciding the way to tackle it is to throw gasoline at it

Security guards. With less power than actual state enforcement.

Well, this IS the tail end of an argument about the state in general, so take what you will

They always defered to the states inforcement

Hell even just over 100 years ago. The pinkertons would drop off to the local sheriffs

You always had the choice of private security. But they always had to bow to state law enforcement.

Fun fact about old use chartered law enforcement. Usually they would be bribed by political parties to harrass opponents. A cornerstone of machine politics back in the day they were

All you end up doing really is maximising the corruption which presently exists and making the system several multitudes more complicated. And you reduce oversight almost completely.

Thing is, you're probably all correct.

What's important is, is to always look for alternative solutions to things you take for granted.

Sometime's I swear; It's like trying to question Christians about the existence of Jesus or something. Freaking *hostile* lmao

Would you retards go to <#372513679964635138>

Solutions to problems need to be discussed, but when a suggested alternative is obviously worse and involves an unrealistic expectation of radically reorganising the established system, there's honestly not much point in broaching it. It's just a waste of time.

It's not "obviously worse", it's just unorthodox and you have trouble thinking outside the box. W/e

Go to the dedicate channel for autistic screeching

It is obviously worse, like I said before it's the same as having the old fiefdoms and local Lords running shit. Without a publicly accountable body to oversee it. Its moving backwards in time.

@Roarey @Fitzydog @Banks=Gay move the fuck to <#372513679964635138>

There have been more retarded arguments in general. Stop playing little Napoleon man

Gales, fuck off.

How about you go to the dedicated channel for your autism then?

Nu u

***rekt***

It's already wound down to almost nothing anyway

Nowt more I can say on it

That's because @Fitzydog wasn't a cunt and went to <#372513679964635138> you furryfuck

Whatever, crybaby

Waahah I like to spread my degeneracy to the world

ok so like

i don't think you know who you are talking to racoon creature

But those elections tho

> Jelloapocalypse vote ad

> You must vote to protect trans people

Bitch, do you realize how many asinine Tumblr stereotypes you *killed* in your animation series?

So either he's being ironically stupid, of genuinely stupid