yeah the problem is that when the suggestions become too influential, the tail begins to wag the dog

Always irritates me when Alexa cannot do a simple fucking search for me for my literal words without citing Wikipedia on something totally unrelated.

but welcome to politics

most people are robots anyway

I hve to think, "How do retards ask questions?" And then THAT QUESTION goes into the feedback loop too, haunting me in the future.

well the fundamental problem right now is that these models are all relative, and therefore suffer from a lack of creativity

Look. As long as we can have some sort of Asimovian laws working, I say, DO NOT let AI learn from us. They will learn our worst possible traits.

Because, smart people, don't communicate nearly as much as dumb people.

That simple.

I don't think it will be any different than what we deal with now

you might as well also say that dumb people shouldn't vote, because they will corrupt the system

which btw is not to say that is a wrong thing to believe

They shouldn't learn from each other, but it's too late to stop that.

We haven't made AI yet.

I do think that uninformed people shouldn't vote, but that would require a basically perfect unbiased system of vetting, that could never be trusted to actually work.

Well my definition of intelligence applies to more constructs than just bio and tech, so for e.x I think a government or corporation can develop an intelligence if it is complex enough

Oh god

If that is 'intelligence' then I want to be a retard.

Which I unironally am.

Fucking autism REPRESENT

complex systems can develop a sense of self and preservation of that self

happens all the time

Anyway, yes and no.

That depends way too much upon perspective.

If you are the shareholder of a company, yeah, that will seem true.

If you are the pleb getting laid off, that does not look very true.

no you don't have to be in the company

Its sorta like the view of ant colonies as a single super organism

this is an observation of the nature of a system over time

With different members being different organs basically

I'm not saying the people who make up the system are not intelligent

What I am saying, is that this only appears true on a macro scale

but a system can most definitely develop a persistent sense of self-preservation, independent of the individuals who make it up

that's how a lot of cultures work too

At the micro level you would think these entities are completely suicidal

they have rituals and ideals in place for the purpose of preserving the system

Yes, maintaining critical mass

The origin of religion

but culture isn't static, so there's a freedom to evolve based on environmental pressures

and so you see that happen when the environment for a culture changes

To prevent people from becoming TOO self-aware and indepently critical that they cannot agree with anyone, thus all wander away and die