Message from @Vulpes

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2020-02-07 05:38:26 UTC  

One of the problems with the incentives of Congressmen in general are that they are essentially child kings that are largely incapable of ruling without many corrupt advisors

2020-02-07 05:39:14 UTC  

They’re also incentivized to loot other regions and bring back pork for their constituents

2020-02-07 05:40:34 UTC  

Term limits ensure that they can’t understand the game too well (Mitch McConnell) so they don’t do too much damage

2020-02-07 05:41:21 UTC  

However, they’re less capable of creating good, long-term policy

2020-02-07 10:38:30 UTC  

How about a term limit of 0 days

2020-02-07 10:38:49 UTC  

And abolishing term limits of the presidency

2020-02-07 10:39:08 UTC  

Making presidency a lifelong thing

2020-02-07 10:39:15 UTC  

And also making it hereditary

2020-02-07 10:50:12 UTC  

and then what if the king dies and the successor is a psychopath?

2020-02-07 10:52:38 UTC  

Rarely ever happens

2020-02-07 10:52:46 UTC  

Bruh, that is the most basic bitch anti-monarchy statment

2020-02-07 10:52:53 UTC  

And if it does those tend to be put into a regency

2020-02-07 10:52:56 UTC  

Or dethroned

2020-02-07 10:53:27 UTC  

Nobody, even in a monarchy, rules alone

2020-02-07 10:53:34 UTC  

Only the mad and "great kings" get in the history books. Most of them were neither

2020-02-07 10:54:10 UTC  

And how good has democracy prevented mad leaders from rising to the top?

2020-02-07 10:54:54 UTC  

Also now we have knowledge of genetics and royals can avoid having as many bad apples in their families by better selecting who they marry

2020-02-07 10:55:18 UTC  

The understanding should be that there can't be a compromise in the quality of royalty

2020-02-07 10:55:40 UTC  

Genetics isn't even needed for this. In the olden times people knew about proper breeding

2020-02-07 10:55:42 UTC  

What happened historically is that diplomacy resulted in all sorts of bad marriages

2020-02-07 11:25:57 UTC  

so weve already established a king can be dethroned, then essentialy what youre advocating is an oligarchy of the people who can dethrone a king they dont see as fit

2020-02-07 11:31:05 UTC  

what im wondering is how you make sure the king controls the lords and corporations and not the other way around

2020-02-07 11:38:01 UTC  

No it's just it becomes pretty obvious in most cases when a ruler turns insane

2020-02-07 11:38:16 UTC  

That's far from an oligarchy

2020-02-07 11:38:54 UTC  

Which you can see in say Qing China or Japan throughout most of its history where the real power usually rested with the regents

2020-02-07 11:40:22 UTC  

It's up to a king to figure out how to effectively enforce his rule

2020-02-07 11:44:20 UTC  

Monarchy is an interesting idea, but I’d say it would be virtually impossible to establish one in America considering the country’s history

2020-02-07 11:45:10 UTC  

It'd still be better than liberal democracy though

2020-02-07 11:45:51 UTC  

It'd be hard to do/envision in any western country but this is making the mistake of assuming you'd just try to restore old monarchy rather than go say the Bonapartist route

2020-02-07 11:46:13 UTC  

It's pretty easy to draw a line from democracy to dictatorship

2020-02-07 11:46:27 UTC  

And from dictatorship to hereditary rule

2020-02-07 11:47:30 UTC  

Some theoretical framework is still required but I'd think you could use the Chinese concept of the mandate of heaven to legitimize it in the longterm

2020-02-07 11:48:18 UTC  

Also parts of America are less in line with the Anglo mindset

2020-02-07 11:48:24 UTC  

I think a dictatorship would probably solve all your problems, so I don't see why there would need to be a transition into monarchy

2020-02-07 11:48:50 UTC  

But yeah, it'd definitely be easier to go from dictatorship to monarchy than try to transition straight from democracy to monarchy

2020-02-07 11:48:55 UTC  

If dictatorships don't have clear lines of succession it causes all sorts of issues in the longterm

2020-02-07 11:49:43 UTC  

Basically Alexander's problem

2020-02-07 11:49:59 UTC  

What happens without an heir but very powerfull gnerals etc.

2020-02-07 11:50:04 UTC  

Being born into royalty makes you weak. Rome had the right idea, adopting sons who would be competent rulers