Message from @de ton

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2018-11-11 05:59:11 UTC  

What about Prussia then

2018-11-11 05:59:12 UTC  

because power is so centralized in individuals

2018-11-11 06:00:02 UTC  

prussia is essentially a monarch that is balanced by the Junker

2018-11-11 06:00:14 UTC  

monarchy can result in long term succession crises

2018-11-11 06:00:17 UTC  

like War of the Roses

2018-11-11 06:00:22 UTC  

Year of the 5 emperors

2018-11-11 06:00:23 UTC  

etc etc

2018-11-11 06:01:00 UTC  

power=violence
military strength=violence
if you make the military the state, the state cannot overthrow itself

2018-11-11 06:01:02 UTC  

Do you know how many republics had succession crises?

2018-11-11 06:01:06 UTC  

make the military the state

2018-11-11 06:01:12 UTC  

I come from South Korea which had multiple dictatorships

2018-11-11 06:01:20 UTC  

gate voting behind a volunteer military force

2018-11-11 06:01:24 UTC  

that includes religion

2018-11-11 06:01:47 UTC  

Why do you keep insisting on keeping elections and voting

2018-11-11 06:01:54 UTC  

Clearly it's failing rn

2018-11-11 06:02:00 UTC  

so to vote, you have to be a devout member of Christianity as vetted by the local parish, and also volunteer to fight for x amount of period of time

2018-11-11 06:02:09 UTC  

because voting is merely handed out by the accident of birth

2018-11-11 06:02:16 UTC  

universal suffrage is big gay

2018-11-11 06:02:19 UTC  

democracy is big gay

2018-11-11 06:02:28 UTC  

voting =/ democracy

2018-11-11 06:02:31 UTC  

Elections have only ever put hedonists and atheists in power. Nothing good has ever or will ever come from them.

2018-11-11 06:02:42 UTC  

you're missing the point

2018-11-11 06:03:07 UTC  

if you ensure your voters are of a certain type 1) warrior, 2)pious, then it (in theory) should be smooth sailing

2018-11-11 06:03:07 UTC  

How about no democracy and the monarch and church rule the land

2018-11-11 06:03:22 UTC  

it never works because there's always power struggles between the two entities

2018-11-11 06:03:37 UTC  

you just get a new monarch or dynasty after x amount of years

2018-11-11 06:03:43 UTC  

So?

2018-11-11 06:03:52 UTC  

there's inherent instability in the system

2018-11-11 06:03:58 UTC  

You get new political parties taking control of republic after x amount of years

2018-11-11 06:04:04 UTC  

I want to create the ultimate leviathan

2018-11-11 06:04:06 UTC  

You seriously think this is stable?

2018-11-11 06:04:09 UTC  

where the state can never be overthrown

2018-11-11 06:04:12 UTC  

what is "this"?

2018-11-11 06:04:20 UTC  

if you can point me to a limited suffrage state

2018-11-11 06:04:23 UTC  

Mate

2018-11-11 06:04:56 UTC  

have you read heinlein?

2018-11-11 06:05:09 UTC  

I'm trying to say a system other than monarchy isn't inherently more stable

2018-11-11 06:05:17 UTC  

I seriously buy into his ideology

2018-11-11 06:05:20 UTC  

hasn't been tried before

2018-11-11 06:05:25 UTC  

has enough merit to be tried

2018-11-11 06:05:37 UTC  

Why can't we just not have elections