Message from @de ton

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2018-11-08 02:24:34 UTC  

That still gives too much power to too many people.

2018-11-08 02:24:48 UTC  

So no nobility?

2018-11-08 02:25:15 UTC  

Church and Monarch

2018-11-08 02:25:24 UTC  

Have only monarch+royals, then clergy, then everyone else is a commoner?

2018-11-08 02:25:33 UTC  

Yes

2018-11-08 02:26:01 UTC  

What would be the status of landowners vs peasants, then?

2018-11-08 02:27:11 UTC  

What about royals who are not immediate family of the monarch?

2018-11-08 02:27:17 UTC  

Landowners are the bosses of the peasants who work their land.

2018-11-08 02:27:44 UTC  

Would landowners be given any special privilege or should they be content with at least having their wealth

2018-11-08 02:27:55 UTC  

Non-immediate family royals are still royals.

2018-11-08 02:28:31 UTC  

What about granting noble titles but only to royals who are too far down the line of succession? Such as duchies or counties?

2018-11-08 02:28:55 UTC  

Those close enough to the monarch in line of succession being princes

2018-11-08 02:29:42 UTC  

No, the only noble titles would only be titular and mean nothing more than status.

2018-11-08 02:30:12 UTC  

So you are ok with granting noble titles to men of extraordinary service and prestige but with no added political privilege

2018-11-08 02:30:20 UTC  

And perhaps to large landowners

2018-11-08 02:30:24 UTC  

Yes

2018-11-08 02:30:29 UTC  

Ah, ok

2018-11-08 02:30:35 UTC  

No disagreements here then

2018-11-08 02:31:39 UTC  

I do believe having more officials in government other than monarch is necessary, however, it should be clear that they serve the monarch and thus can be removed from power as easily as they are appointed

2018-11-08 02:32:07 UTC  

This is probably where clergy or close members of the royal family should come in

2018-11-08 02:32:49 UTC  

I've been saying that's where the clergy comes in.

2018-11-08 02:39:57 UTC  

Limited suffrage democracy gated by Service and vetting by the Church

2018-11-08 02:45:18 UTC  

I don't believe in democracy period.

2018-11-08 02:45:47 UTC  

Theocracy is also terrible, though.

2018-11-08 02:46:14 UTC  

Theocratic monarchy is great though

2018-11-08 02:46:25 UTC  

King/emperor + state religion

2018-11-08 02:46:38 UTC  

That's a religious confessional state. Not a theocracy

2018-11-08 02:46:49 UTC  

Tomato tomato

2018-11-08 02:47:08 UTC  

A theocracy is where the religious authorities also act as the rulers of the state.

2018-11-08 03:46:59 UTC  

So caesaropapism

2018-11-08 03:49:33 UTC  

No, papocaesarism

2018-11-08 03:50:43 UTC  

Caesaropapism is a secular ruler also ruling a church - England and Anglicanism

2018-11-08 03:51:16 UTC  

Papocaesarism is a cleric ruling a secular state - Vatican city for example or any HRE prince-bishopric

2018-11-08 03:52:00 UTC  

I prefer an actual monarch though

2018-11-08 03:52:08 UTC  

Neither is preferavle

2018-11-08 03:52:21 UTC  

And I don't think theocracy is necessarily papocaesarist

2018-11-08 03:52:57 UTC  

The judges of Israel certainly weren't any reflection of a king or any modern statesman

2018-11-08 03:53:26 UTC  

I'd prefer typical monarch by divine right

2018-11-08 03:55:36 UTC  

The ideal is symphonia, I believe also called "Byzantine theocracy" although I could be mistaken so don't quote me on that
Church and [monarchical] state working together for the good of the nation with neither ruling the other

2018-11-08 06:42:33 UTC  

I'm thinking Evola was mostly right, aside from the obvious things, like the "Sex magic". What do you all think?

2018-11-08 08:55:42 UTC  

His metaphysics of sex book is actually quite spot-on in places.