Message from @ChuuniMage

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2018-12-11 16:22:42 UTC  

So what occurs when you attempt to port an Eastern idea, which is also formed in Greek, into a Western framework, which is also formed in Latin, it often fails to port properly. Or, in some cases, it cannot port at all really without mass works of explanation. And such a mass work of explanation is not suited for Discord channels.

2018-12-11 16:23:04 UTC  

I can give a microcosm to demonstrate this

2018-12-11 16:24:55 UTC  

John 4:10

2018-12-11 16:24:55 UTC  

**John 4:10 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<10> Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, 'Give me a drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water." ```

2018-12-11 16:25:10 UTC  

So at the end here, we have "living" water

2018-12-11 16:25:17 UTC  

Or "ὕδωρ ζῶν"

2018-12-11 16:25:42 UTC  

"zaō hydōr"

2018-12-11 16:26:52 UTC  

"zaō" here directly translates to "living" indeed. The English translation is accurate to the literal translation. But the Greek is much more nuanced

2018-12-11 16:28:13 UTC  

"zaō" can also mean "flowing" in this context, or "many" in some cases or "powerful" as in "being full of the power of the source" perhaps.

2018-12-11 16:30:56 UTC  

Because Greek is built in a way that words are kinda formed from thoughts in a sense. The "idea" of "zaō" is somettbing of life and the soul and origin (hence, flowing, IE coming from an origin, which is the soul/spirit of Jesus here, in context).

2018-12-11 16:33:18 UTC  

So to equate "energeia" with "existentia" isn't entirely accurate because "existentia" is a far narrower term than "energeia." Though, one could, perhaps, attempt to show how "existentia" is related to "energeia," but I imagine this would be quite a challenge.

2018-12-11 19:44:31 UTC  

Why are evangelical Protestant so willingly ignorant?

2018-12-11 20:13:46 UTC  

Please explain

2018-12-11 20:13:47 UTC  
2018-12-11 20:22:10 UTC  

Their faith seems based entirely on emotion as opposed to reason. When they argue with Catholics, their best arguments are idolatry, paedophile priests, or works-based salvation. They seem to know absolutely nothing about other denominations.

2018-12-11 20:23:50 UTC  

Because evanjelly churches are a psyop for the CIA

2018-12-11 20:24:10 UTC  

And appeal to the emotional woman more so than the man

2018-12-11 21:41:46 UTC  

Depends on the prot ymmv

2018-12-11 21:45:42 UTC  

Most of the time I think you're forced to only use the bible because anything outside it is dismissed.

2018-12-11 21:46:11 UTC  

only use the bible*
*and the tradition established by the person interpreting the bible correctly

2018-12-11 21:46:18 UTC  

which is obviously new prot reformers

2018-12-11 21:49:40 UTC  

Depends. I've been out of the apologetics game due to the fact I get too inflamed

2018-12-11 21:50:12 UTC  

I'll do a better job by praying and letting smarter people do that work.

2018-12-11 21:52:01 UTC  

Stop fighting

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/522168708710268947/image0.jpg

2018-12-11 21:52:24 UTC  

Reeeeeee

2018-12-11 21:53:07 UTC  

Lulz

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/522168986557743134/image0.jpg

2018-12-11 21:53:20 UTC  

Idk how this guy is even considered Christian. These are just overpriced TED talks

2018-12-11 21:53:49 UTC  

Because God is love brother. God love everybody. Tap into the spirit.

2018-12-11 21:55:50 UTC  

Like a keg?

2018-12-11 21:56:57 UTC  

Yeah buddy. Get drunk in the spirit.

2018-12-11 21:57:01 UTC  

Lol

2018-12-11 21:57:18 UTC  

I'm actually about to bottle my first batch of wine

2018-12-11 21:58:15 UTC  

Nice. I made some Pinot noir about ten years ago. It wasn’t bad.

2018-12-11 21:58:48 UTC  

It's a white Moscato. I'm gonna call it Stella Maria after our Lady. Particularly because of the vision of her giving refreshment to the souls in purgatory.

2018-12-11 22:00:07 UTC  

That’s cool. Have you kept in in stainless or glass to ferment?

2018-12-11 22:00:12 UTC  

How much did you do?

2018-12-11 22:00:18 UTC  

@GodFearingEnglishman Yeah, they generally are emotionally driven

2018-12-11 22:00:34 UTC  

I was Evanjelly for ~20 years

2018-12-11 22:00:44 UTC  

I always hated the emotional stufd

2018-12-11 22:01:14 UTC  

So whence I got the opportunity to look into doctrines and arguments, I realized everything I believed was wrong

2018-12-11 22:01:15 UTC