Survivial of the Wisest, correct?

Something like that

As someone who has minor autism, I do believe vaccines cause issues.

Vaccines are 100% tools of the elite and I won't take them
They do indeed cause issues

Aspie myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s09unra20ZM

Yeah

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-11/over-1000-scientists-sign-dissent-darwinism-statement

TBH anti-vax type stuff hardly even popped up until the autism paper

Like the conspiracies were rather non-existent

Then the study was proven to be fabricated. The author himself admitted it was fabricated data. Then it got retracted

As it turns out, not all science is garbage

Please vaccinate yourself and children, for your good, their good, and the good of others

I'm not sure what a faked paper from 2002 has anything to do with invalidating Jonas Saik writing about using them for eugenics and population control in 1973

You also used the phrase "the conspiracies" refers to the conspiracy *theories*, and not the conspiracies themselves

@Quarantine_Zone Make me

@Mr. Byzantium I won't 😉

@ChuuniMage That's why I said the conspiracies didn't pop up until the paper. The eugenics stuff had already happened yeah.

I suppose my initial statement was off

I should have said, "TBH the anti-vax conspiracy theories hardly even popped up until the autism paper."

Issue with even just going to the 1970s though is that vaccines were used for so long before anyone was talking about eugenics

And supporting vaccination is different from forcing vaccination

I think most, if not all anti-vax arguments are ridiculous.

The single most important anti vax argument is that the father of vaccination said hey let's use these to weaken and kill everyone

there really is no debate on vax once you've learned that tbh

@Byzas father of vaccination... Let's see... Vaccination goes back to 17th century India and China at least. Innoculation in general goes back to 10th century China... It was known about in Europe by at least 1700 as we have records of it reaching Europe by then and inoculation was going in Greece in the beginning of the 18th century...

Jenner invented the first vaccine as we know it today in 1796...

Hilleman (1919-2005) invented more vaccines than anyone else and retired in 1984....

So who is the "father of vaccines" here that so horribly suggested we use them to weaken and kill people?

Perhaps such an individual is not the "father of vaccines" as you claim.

Surely not Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) either, who coined the term "vaccine?"

let me clarify
father of mass vaccination

@Quarantine_Zone

Ok, so the guy who proposed vaccination en masse in the 1970s had poor intentions

Or rather, the guy who spearheaded it

But vaccination was in widespread use already before then

Perhaps not at the same scale, but in wide use indeed

And it had been for a long time

We even have records in the 1800s of vaccination campaigns in the US to prevent the deaths of Natives susceptible to disease

Antifa "grrr no guns"
Also antifa:

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