But as I said, details about the date were probably unknown and irrelevant to those who wrote, long afterwards, about Jesus

Isn't there the part where it's stated that Jesus the son of Mary boils in hell in a pool of semen and feces? like, even if you could "refute" the other "Totally not Jesus" parts, i think it's clear there is something against the Christ we preach there, and if there is i would not have any reason why i should not connect the dots that it's not just any Yeshu, but rather one that has a clear connection and it's specified to be oddly similar to our Jesus.

In thatpart, he is not mentioned as the son of Mary, just as some Yeshu that was an enemy of israel and is burning in excrement

the name was censored of course

But the oldest copies still have it

Frick, forgot you don't know Hebrew

Malkud is translated as government here

That makes the point even stronger since, why would they censor if those if it's totally another Jesus.

That term specifically refers to the royal government, which was the government in the Hasmonean Dynasty

Misrah is the general term for government

That is a really vague connection, and as I said, these books were written later and probably without much knowledge about when exactly Jesus lived

Dude, Rabbis were the most educated people in Israel in that time

I'm sorry but i'm inclined to say it's obvious any modification to the story of the Jesus in the talmud is meant to make him viewed by the general public as what they want to be thought of him, not a historically accurate one with the true details that happened.

To say that it's not the same Jesus just because obvious changes made deliberately seems weak.

And just as Mozalbete says, it's obvious they did not really had many of the details, giving them reason to completely add things untrue or make up some, you don't really need deep exegesis for this.

And Christianity was the dominant religion

It would have been easy to know that

It would also be easy to not to make up these fictional stories, yet there they are

They didn't care about the date, that is clear

And even the way to attach the Yeshu to a particular date is our inference from the use of some concepts

It isn't even explicitely stated

and if it was a single similarity, sure, I would be prudent and not make quick judgements

But there is just too much. Not to mention that is is foolish to think that jews would not mention Jesus in the Talmud anywhere.

Do you really think that the uber autistic collection of stories, "events" and accounts isn't going to reference at all the most important figure in history, which is also incredibly relevant to jews, during a period of time that is dealt with at length in the Talmud?

@arsenicMysticist they definitely had the details. They would likely be well familiar with Josephus' writings, which mention Jesus. And knowing about Jesus would not have been hard when it was the dominant religion

@Mozalbete ⳩ It's certainly unusual, but if this is intended as anti-Christian propoganda directed for teaching the lay-people, then they really sucked at it

With that in mind, i remain in my argument that they would not construct a historically accurate discourse of Christ, their new generations would need to have their own version so they would not flock to christianity saying "Well if this happened? Could that guys Yeshu be right?" they needed to have Christ complete depicted as it would serve their discourse better. And the coincidences with the actuall Jesus and this Yeshu are literally too similar like to think it's a different one, it's evident they made up something that would accomodate to their vision.

They didn't, which is why every single person on Earth sees it as references to Jesus. I don't think there is a single jew in history who thought "ah, this can't be Jesus, since one of the references to Yeshu talks about events regarding a dynasty that ended some decades earlier than what I know to be exactly when Jesus lived. These absurdly huge similarities in his description, and what is said of him must be a total coincidence. They must have forgotten about the least important Jesus"

Again, you don't need deep exegesis for this with hebrew and that, just common sense.

Gotta go to college now, see ya, Peace be with you.

Going to gym. Back in around 1:30h

Had an epic gamer moment

I remember when battarang used to be here

Yea. I don't remember his conduct though.

I always liked the guy

Still friends with him on FB

I gather he's not a fan of me anymore

Who is he on fb? I think it was some flip

Because I raise a ruckus any time I am in /Christian/, the catholic caliphate

Uuuhhhhhh one sec

Zach Norstedt

Yea. That place has gone to shit. It used to be more or less balanced about half a year ago or so, now it's just a catholic echo chamber.

Ah, never heard of her