both need a pad change tho

cheap K240 velours work

those ISK MDH things just look like the takstar pro 80's with a pad change

if you dont need closed the 681 would be better

Got it, thanks anon

HD681 is even cheaper

yeah

hd681 is legit good

has comfort issues without a pad change tho

get samson sr850, mine came with velour pads :^)

sr850 are 668b drivers iirc

681 with velour pads is about the same price anyway

if not cheaper

;0

and usualy 681 is cheapest by far

(sub 20 euros)

currently 19.30 euros

gearbest apparently has sales for 17.17

is this in lunar calendar

Should i go with KZ ATE or ATES? Whats the difference between those even

supposedly the S is just the version with memory cable

Too late did I realize they actually explain all the differences between models on the page

But yeah, the Ss have memory cable

Wait are the ED9s actually better? The price difference is negligible

Not really

Get the ATE

i liked the ed9's way better than the ATE's but the ATE's have gone through a ton of revisions

Option on es3?

ES3 best KZ aside from ZS6

es3 is eh

but zs6 is worse than zs5v2

http://trulyhektik.blogspot.com.au/2017/10/kz-es3-mini-review.html @Lj4IW9hY3JmTwb

I kinda felt they was meh, kinda hallow sound

Name one thing wrong with the ES3

muddy bass

bad fit

bad cable

The bass is nowhere near muddy.
>having manlet ears
Buy the $7 braided one

I mean its OK for the price and I use them when I'm outside walking

its not the size, its the shape

It fits me just fine