yeah

no

just keep using xe800 tbh

like closed backs suck

alright

unless ok with open back i can only think of like 3 closed backs in existence that even remotely compete with the xe800

are the xes that good

wew

its more that closed backs just suck shit

ah yeah fair enough

iems are better value at every price point imo

compared to head phones

closed back headphones yeah

the xe800 is basically acoustically identical to the gr07, which that itself is already stupid good value at like 5x the price of the xe800

ah ok

i dont know what i have apparently

ill enjoy them more

lol

as long as you get a good seal, theyre insanely good

so nothing really beats vivo for iems

for the budget

yeah but the issue is that theyre pretty much nonexistant anymore lol

so hard to find a legit pair

but yeah

😬

hopefully i have a legit one

pretty sure its real bought it almost a year ago

how about over ear head phones

probably you did

open backs are better after like $250 or so imo

eg hd600/650 level

ah fair

so unless i go up to that budget vivos are fine

pretty much yeah

👌

thanks m8

they have insane bass texture and cleanliness and midrange/low treble timbre

nice

God im going to cherish mine now

i mean, iems around the $100-200 range compete with em well so theyre not god tier or anything

but for like $21, theyre damn good value