I would even say that my zircons on my mi5 feel better

you can just buy a usb dac or soundcard

are they cheap ?

you can get cheap ones yeah

is this one good ? https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Breeze-Audio-ESS-ES9018K2M-AD823-SA9023-USB-DAC-Decoder-External-Sound-Card-Headphone-Amplifier/32762415473.html?

Try to guss

i would just say get a cheap usb sound card or pixel dongle, or spend $100 for topping d10

it is k i guss

but pixel dongle needs usb C does it ?

you could use the adapter

it works with PC if you get an adapter

it is like 30cents

the thinkpad has a bad dac, the one in your smartphone is better

also make sure the connector is fit in snugly

oh okay so it's really worth it compared to some big DAC ?

the pixel dongle

https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/how-to/pixel-usb-c-audio-measurements-t3691535

for the equipment you have its easily comparable to a "big" dac

as long as you don't have high impedence earphones you're fine

can i buy it in europe ? I suppose it's not on chink sites

https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_headphone_adapter

not working from here

you can try ebay too but you have to make sure they state its the original google one

you can buy it in *some* euro countries

eeerrr can't find it

do you think simple usb sound cards are as good as DAC ? I don't even know what are the differences between them

Thinking of getting the ZS10 when my cheque goes in instead.

For once KZ actually includes a decent cable with their earphones.

that is true,cable is pretty good

Zs10 fr is meh

it is like the replacement ones they sell

@baba same thing

Tho soundcards usually have an ADC on them too

A couple cheapo earphone cases, ZS10's, and DHL mail, it's $47 USD.

Not bad. I think I might try that if my fucking things finally arrive first

I'm having an idea, is it possible to use my phone as a sound card ?

https://www.fasttech.com/products/9649167

Probably not.

For music I just use an MP3 player with decent output.

AGPTEK M20. Can power 64 Ohm earphones as far as I know

I got an AGPTEK Rocker