Message from @tomhastherage

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2019-07-21 00:06:28 UTC  

no, there is no evolutionary basis for king-subject bonding. You're not even interacting with the vast majority of your subjects. It would be impossible to have a personal relationship with them

2019-07-21 00:06:40 UTC  

and with indirect relationships, the dynamic changes. Theres no way it cant

2019-07-21 00:07:04 UTC  

No, because a King doesn’t have a personal attachment to every single person in the empire so they would in turn not see the need all the time to necessarily care about them.

2019-07-21 00:07:07 UTC  

Let's go back to a Monarchy!

2019-07-21 00:07:16 UTC  

Is there an evolutionary basis for democratic republics?

2019-07-21 00:07:45 UTC  

who said anything about democratic republics? We're talking about how fatherhood is not a monarchy

2019-07-21 00:08:00 UTC  

Well it's not a democracy, the big steak is mine.

2019-07-21 00:08:53 UTC  

There is no evolutionary basis because no other species thinks like a human does, and doesn’t necessarily have the free will we have.

2019-07-21 00:09:00 UTC  

Beeman said there's no evolutionary basis for kings. Why should that matter?

2019-07-21 00:09:07 UTC  

you compared it to fatherhood

2019-07-21 00:09:48 UTC  

Ok but there also isnt any evolutionary basis for our current form of govt right? And that is what you guys prefer?

2019-07-21 00:09:52 UTC  

the biological impetus for familial bonds is not the same as the relationship between a king and their subjects

2019-07-21 00:10:04 UTC  

the biological basis only matters because you drew the comparison

2019-07-21 00:10:08 UTC  

Hitler and Gandhi were friends

2019-07-21 00:10:28 UTC  

@Goose thanks goose. I'll make sure to remember that

2019-07-21 00:10:42 UTC  

A father sees a need to care for the family because they are of a direct bloodline. This is the same for a den of lions or wolves, or a ant queen where only the alpha was allowed to breed.

2019-07-21 00:10:56 UTC  

the question was put to us as, in essence "why is a king not like a father?"
That is why a king is not like a father

2019-07-21 00:11:10 UTC  

you dont get to mix and match question and answer as you please :^)

2019-07-21 00:11:16 UTC  

Yes i do

2019-07-21 00:11:24 UTC  

Lol

2019-07-21 00:11:44 UTC  

ah, then you agree with me that you are wrong

2019-07-21 00:11:52 UTC  

I'm developing a platform for revolutionary reform. Violent revolution, coup-de-tat, infiltration of the parties... None of these things are in the cards. We need a new vision that doesn't involve simply burning it all to the ground

2019-07-21 00:11:58 UTC  

because I've selected your prior answer as the answer to my question

2019-07-21 00:12:00 UTC  

Good talk

2019-07-21 00:12:13 UTC  

You're right, we shouldn't burn it to the ground.

2019-07-21 00:12:16 UTC  

That's what nukes are for.

2019-07-21 00:12:35 UTC  

Can a leader never feel paternalistic over his subordinates?

2019-07-21 00:12:55 UTC  

A small club for instance?

2019-07-21 00:13:16 UTC  

An older male mentors and leads hus youngers

2019-07-21 00:13:25 UTC  

Or a tribe lead by a chief?

2019-07-21 00:14:30 UTC  

Surely theres plenty of evolutionary basis for tribal chiefs

2019-07-21 00:14:47 UTC  

At what point do they become kongs and stop making any sense?

2019-07-21 00:14:52 UTC  

Kings

2019-07-21 00:14:56 UTC  

You can build personal relationships, but theyre not the same as familial, and even then there are limits

2019-07-21 00:15:20 UTC  

if we're talking about large groups of people, then no, I dont think you can feel paternalistic over each and every person in your constituency

2019-07-21 00:15:42 UTC  

Its impossible to form a bond with enough people for an entire country. As such your bound to exclude a certain group. Your also neglecting how a father figure is in charge of **children**, those who have to learn and grow still. Unlike a grown adult, who becomes more logical and as such skeptical.

2019-07-21 00:16:01 UTC  

Does a tribal chief feel this way over his 200?

2019-07-21 00:16:10 UTC  

Surely he does

2019-07-21 00:17:25 UTC  

@Nucleon I was roleplaying my cousin so yes it was facetisious