Message from @Nucleon

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2019-07-21 00:00:06 UTC  

Very helpful

2019-07-21 00:00:14 UTC  

@Jeremy-Retard why would we want a defense against the next Hitler?

2019-07-21 00:00:31 UTC  

Its usually near the beginning

2019-07-21 00:00:51 UTC  

Otherwise I dunno what to tell u

2019-07-21 00:01:18 UTC  

so the fundamental issue is that any system that allows reconfiguration of the core system seems to inevitably move back to consolidated power, but the only way to prevent this would be to, in some way, consolidate power. Arguably, you could fracture things to the point where it would become painfully difficult to do so, but I think at that point you might dip back into wars of conquest
Once that power is consolidated, it's only a matter of time until someone inadequate takes the wheel

2019-07-21 00:02:26 UTC  

Actually the next Hitler is already here, and she's a woman of color.

2019-07-21 00:02:37 UTC  

Why is fractured power preferable to consolidated power?

2019-07-21 00:02:47 UTC  

Because humans abuse power.

2019-07-21 00:02:49 UTC  

who do you trust with consolidated power?

2019-07-21 00:03:10 UTC  
2019-07-21 00:03:25 UTC  

I think we've found a kinky one :^)

2019-07-21 00:03:30 UTC  

Abuse of power is the best method of amplification of human evil.

2019-07-21 00:03:31 UTC  

Power == Control

2019-07-21 00:03:53 UTC  

If you can't get enough power to abuse it, you can't do greater evil than you would without power.

2019-07-21 00:03:53 UTC  

Because all humans are flawed and try and push their own beliefs.

2019-07-21 00:04:05 UTC  

Do fathers generally abuse their power in their homes?

2019-07-21 00:04:37 UTC  

Don't fathers have a genetic interest in seeing their children succeed and their wife to love them?

2019-07-21 00:04:55 UTC  

Good ones do i believe yes

2019-07-21 00:04:58 UTC  

are you comparing being an owner or even co-owner of family resources and raising children to being in control of a full military and legislative body?

2019-07-21 00:05:02 UTC  

Evolution demands that they do.

2019-07-21 00:05:12 UTC  

The Father isn’t in control of an entire country, try having one father in a similar control situation as controlling an entire nation.

2019-07-21 00:05:12 UTC  

If they didn't pair-bonding wouldn't exist.

2019-07-21 00:05:38 UTC  

Same might be true for good kings or emperors though right?

2019-07-21 00:06:28 UTC  

no, there is no evolutionary basis for king-subject bonding. You're not even interacting with the vast majority of your subjects. It would be impossible to have a personal relationship with them

2019-07-21 00:06:40 UTC  

and with indirect relationships, the dynamic changes. Theres no way it cant

2019-07-21 00:07:04 UTC  

No, because a King doesn’t have a personal attachment to every single person in the empire so they would in turn not see the need all the time to necessarily care about them.

2019-07-21 00:07:07 UTC  

Let's go back to a Monarchy!

2019-07-21 00:07:16 UTC  

Is there an evolutionary basis for democratic republics?

2019-07-21 00:07:45 UTC  

who said anything about democratic republics? We're talking about how fatherhood is not a monarchy

2019-07-21 00:08:00 UTC  

Well it's not a democracy, the big steak is mine.

2019-07-21 00:08:53 UTC  

There is no evolutionary basis because no other species thinks like a human does, and doesn’t necessarily have the free will we have.

2019-07-21 00:09:00 UTC  

Beeman said there's no evolutionary basis for kings. Why should that matter?

2019-07-21 00:09:07 UTC  

you compared it to fatherhood

2019-07-21 00:09:48 UTC  

Ok but there also isnt any evolutionary basis for our current form of govt right? And that is what you guys prefer?

2019-07-21 00:09:52 UTC  

the biological impetus for familial bonds is not the same as the relationship between a king and their subjects

2019-07-21 00:10:04 UTC  

the biological basis only matters because you drew the comparison

2019-07-21 00:10:08 UTC  

Hitler and Gandhi were friends

2019-07-21 00:10:28 UTC  

@Goose thanks goose. I'll make sure to remember that

2019-07-21 00:10:42 UTC  

A father sees a need to care for the family because they are of a direct bloodline. This is the same for a den of lions or wolves, or a ant queen where only the alpha was allowed to breed.

2019-07-21 00:10:56 UTC  

the question was put to us as, in essence "why is a king not like a father?"
That is why a king is not like a father