lol reminds me of goose

i miss his softnaziism

i miss him too

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oh you're not dead

I was here from the beginning

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> In the beginning was the Vesdii, and the Vesdii was with God, and the Vesdii was God.

In the beginning there were the dinosaurs, but they all got to big and fat and died...

Just a reminder to call out bullshit when you see it

damn that Patrick Star is on fire

That's ya boi, (me)

Lel

So I dont think you're going to make headway like that but it is entertaining

I just got sick of this dude always sneakily making me look like a monster

Sure, but I think if you really want to start taking the big swings you've got to break it down on a fundamental level, and use arguments that use key elements of your opponent's worldview

So I've given up on making headway with him but I think it's good to show everyone else in the channel how he's dishonestly manipulating the conversation

Oh every time I try that he changes the subject

For instance "why should medical coverage be applied to non citizens at the expense of the poor we have in this country?"

well FIRST you have to know that this other person's mind can even be changed, if not dont bother

You just lock it down

You come back to it

They will never struggle harder than when their leg is in the trap :P

Yeah I've been trying. As soon as I make a good point against him he just throws another topic in there

red herring

Yeah exactly

Yeah, just calmly say that you can address that after, and insist that the conversation can't continue unless you're willing to address issues before moving onto new ones

Now, that issue might tie into other issues, so you have to have some leeway for that

But you can tie em into the same argument if they are

I still think it's good to bring up his dishonest tactic though. Saying something like "This will never be productive if you're going to continue to manipulate things like this"

Yes

But word it in a way that makes him admit his dishonesty rather than being accusatory

Guess I'm a bit more tired of it than you are at this point

Like "We can't get to the bottom of this issue if you're going to be repeatedly bringing up other issues. I think we both want this to be a productive conversation"

Oh I've tanked a lot of conversations :P

It's like the whole meme of
"Well in Australia they did a gun ban and.."
"Fuck Australia"

I'm just tired of even humoring the clearly alter motive discussion if that makes sense

Tbh people cite Aus because they haven't looked into it

Right. And it's just so annoying at this point where my knee jerk response is "Fuck other countries. This isn't other countries"

Granted if I don't have a history with someone I'm way more open to getting into specfics

But I'm just done letting this guy sneak around