Message from @Salacious Swanky Cat

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2019-10-01 20:40:18 UTC  

I quite like it

2019-10-01 20:40:23 UTC  

That reminds me of the people that get pissy about farmers having to buy new seeds every year. Like, no shit, otherwise the company selling the seeds goes out of business.

2019-10-01 20:40:52 UTC  

I liked a pic in the pictures channel

2019-10-01 20:41:10 UTC  

The Monsanto freak outs are ridiculous

2019-10-01 20:41:20 UTC  

Glyphosate doesn’t harm people

2019-10-01 20:41:29 UTC  

You can practically drink the crap.

2019-10-01 20:41:33 UTC  

Kit Kat are really good about trying new things they have sort of caramel white chocolate hybrid now which I like

2019-10-01 20:44:12 UTC  

and the thought of plants like Cocoa and Coffee having wider ranges of viable farmlands is a big deal

2019-10-01 20:45:14 UTC  

and plants like Rice and Cotton take a ton of water to produce

2019-10-01 20:45:27 UTC  

it's all exciting stuff

2019-10-01 20:45:33 UTC  

Right.

2019-10-01 20:45:49 UTC  

Maybe hemp clothing really is better. Lol

2019-10-01 20:45:54 UTC  

we could even see a sort of natural poly cotton plant 😄

2019-10-01 20:46:20 UTC  

and what if we could use plants to create new polymers instead of oil?

2019-10-01 20:46:36 UTC  

Some people are looking at algae to do that

2019-10-01 20:47:45 UTC  

we could very well see the perfect food too they could in theory engineer a plant that has all the recommended dietary needs

2019-10-01 20:47:59 UTC  

and make it taste good too

2019-10-01 20:48:47 UTC  

Possibly. That would be really hard though. Lol

2019-10-01 20:49:24 UTC  

in time although probably more likely it'll be a couple different plants

2019-10-01 20:50:19 UTC  

Yeah.

2019-10-01 20:51:22 UTC  

On a different topic of technological development, I think an effective waterless toilet needs to be invented. The existing solutions are not up to par.

2019-10-01 20:51:47 UTC  

My only problem with that is that the vegans would view it as validation.

2019-10-01 20:51:49 UTC  

Sal,
There's a ***VERY REAL*** difference between selective breeding and cutting up DNA. I'm all for GMO, but don't conflate the two. That kind of dishonest comparison plays right into *"protestors"* hands...

Wolf,
Forcing farmers to buy new seeds every year is not sustainable in the event of an emergency. Also, if the company was so awesome, they'd have made a profit already.

...
And because I'm such a *"nasty subhuman,"* I've called GMO protestors *"the worst sort of racists"* since I was a leftist myself... In fact, since before the Guard, so at least 1999.

2019-10-01 20:51:52 UTC  

I only think this because infrastructure repair costs will sky rocket in the future

2019-10-01 20:53:04 UTC  

selective breeding was more like fumbling in the dark, GMO is doing the same in good lighting

2019-10-01 20:54:27 UTC  

So tell me Mandatory, if your business model is making better varieties of plants and selling the seeds to farmers, who can then use the seeds from this harvest to grow next season's crop, how do you stay in business?

2019-10-01 20:54:59 UTC  

My phone is really weird about what it decided to capitalize.

2019-10-01 20:56:12 UTC  

Thank god Im never applying for Harvard or any Ivy League school

2019-10-01 21:07:19 UTC  

Wolf,
¿You got a Motorola?
Anyways, if you're product was so damned awesome, you'd still be in business.

2019-10-01 21:08:42 UTC  

Yeah, it's some iteration of I think the Moto G.

2019-10-01 21:11:56 UTC  

*Random capitalization.*

2019-10-01 21:13:52 UTC  

The problem with that idea, mandatory, is that if you sell seeds to someone, they grow the plant, and it has seeds, you don't need the people who sold you the seeds anymore

2019-10-01 21:14:08 UTC  

And figuring out how to genetically engineer shit probably costs a pretty penny

2019-10-01 21:14:35 UTC  

Of course you could make the initial sale of seeds far more pricey to get a profit off the first batch, but then they probably wouldn't sell

2019-10-01 22:14:52 UTC  

Just engineer the plants to be seedless.

2019-10-01 22:17:53 UTC  

I think they are. Now that I think about it, from what I remember I think the argument was farmers using extra seeds they had left over the next year. Maybe not. It's not an argument I've payed particularly close attention to.

2019-10-01 22:36:05 UTC  

how did that even happen

2019-10-01 22:57:12 UTC  

A. Any crop that is grown as a hybrid will see significant yield losses after even one year of replanting so it's more cost effective to buy it again any laws or patents aside
B. R&D costs a ton of money and recouping losses after 1 year for a dramatically improved self pollinating crop would often be impossible.
C. You buy the seed from the company on the condition that you agree not to replant it. If you want to replant and breed your own varieties you are free to buy the many open source varieties available, some farmers (especially organic) do this and are successful, good for them. Others don't want to invest the time, labor, and cost necessary to do that, which is also fine but it then has to make economic sense for someone else to do it for you.
D. Not completely on topic but I see some confusion here. Most crop improvement is still done through traditional breeding (using the term loosely I suppose but without any genetic engineering). GM is only good for traits that come from a single or very few genes and is very expensive (although that's changing). It really only makes sense to use GM to add genes only present in another species that would be greatly beneficial to the crop like RoundUp Ready or Bt. Things like increased seed size are going to come from so many different genes that it would be essentially impossible or incredibly impractical to improve through GM. Also many crops have no commercial GMOs on the market.

2019-10-01 22:58:17 UTC  

> Turns an entire organisation into a terrorist group overnight
> Gets sued
> Surprised Pikachu face

2019-10-02 00:25:45 UTC  

GMO crops often end up cross contaminating non-gm crops cuz of the neighboring farms and then they get sued