The basis for a libertarian society is adults who are of sound mind. Because children and the mentally infirm cannot be considered fully responsible for their own actions, special considerations need to be taken. In short, if someone is abusing their kid, NAP can get fucked.

I think the NAP states that force should never be initiated and I would argue that in the case of child abuse you are not initiating force if you try to prevent it, the abusing person is. So the NAP doesnt get violated if you prevent child abuse.

I think most libertarians on this server would agree that this transkid shit is disgusting, the question is when does a parenting philosophy that u personally dislike and that u think has bad effects on the child become child abuse and allows u to take government action against those parents.

And remember a lot of left leaning people would argue that teaching classical gender roles or keeping ur children away from pride parades and such things has a negative effect on ur kids.

I think at the point where you're bringing your primary school aged child into gay nightclubs, where they're simulating sexually provocative behaviour, is well over the line, and into the exposing your child to abuse circle

yeah I don't think the govt should take these kids away from their parents

There also needs to be data to prove that behaviour that has been standardized with no preceeding proven link to negative outcomes is actually harmful in the long run

if they can get the mental health professionals to say masculinity is harmful I dont think theyll have a problem in proving that

but I will say that this isn't about "parenting that I dislike and disagree with" eventually these kids will grow up and we'll have another Dr John Money shit case on our hands

I am not familiar

John Money is one of the OG gender is a social construct people

in short, he gender swapped 1 of 2 boy twins and had them fake-fuck to force biological gender norms to go byebye

I thought god invented vigilantism for those levels of degeneracy

I'm being intentionally reductive and hyperbolic at the same time

God may yet look the other way

ill look into the guy

but I wasnt making the case that there is a question wether the government should step in when parents pimp out their children in gay nightclubs or when they are given hormone treatment, but when the parents raise them as a member of the opposite sex

which I would argue has a negative impacts on the kids

I mean I'm just gonna keep my son away from this garbage

but people on the left would argue that your behaviour is harmful, so i would rather have degenerate parents raise their children and I make sure they dont get a say in how I would raise my non existing children

fair

understandable

as long as they dont do hormone treatment or bring their kids to gay nightclubs. I think that is too much

how do you bring a minor into a nightclub, obviously a minor

a child i mean come on, there's got to civil codes against that

city/state ordinances

Love is love. That’s what they’ll say

God is love. That's what I say.

Suck it Marianne Alienson

I want a lecture on love from people walking around the city naked with sex toys in their butt during pride parade

if thats what love is I dont understand it

is it love if I put down my dog who has inoperable cancer?

is that a hypothetical question?

it's not IRL for me, so yes

rhetorical i mean you dont have to answer

@scaevola has a point. Who decides what is harmful to the kid?

In China it is illegal to bring children under age 18 to church for example

We all think Desmond and Lactacia is degenerate, but bringing government force is a double edged sword

Well China has a whole host of problems so the answer to "Who decides what is harmful to the kid?" is decidely not China

An***CAP,*** and I'm only calling it what it is... *"Escrow"* and all.
And I said you were lying to me about *"any"* laws. Nice to see you doubling down on that lie. 😠😠😠😠
Libertarian Commies... That's like libertarian fascists...

@Clive I agree, but I’m pointing out that if the degenerates get in power they will use that argument for government intervention