Just getting Mexico to deploy their military on their borders has helped a lot

I just know that a lot of people used the wall as a primary voting topic and don't follow news on it, which is an annoying reality of the modern civic process in the 'States

His H-1B policy is utter Poz.

Even if the cartel is abducting and ransoming people LUL

Our immigration has obviously been completely cucked for like 30 years at least

@Beemann
You know it is possible to not be a turbo autist, right?

70%++ of foreign born citizens residng in the US 20 years or more are on welfare

No shit.

You dont have to be a turbo autist to recognize the importance of civic awareness and participation

F1 Visa is cucked too

^

Yeah, but what's your point about anything

you brought up the wall

but what else?

I know it's just me as an example

but I didn't fucking vote

I didn't like Trump or anyone else

I'm voting in the next one

@Beemann
Okay, but being hyper literal and pretending not to get hyperbole is autistic.

I brought up more than just the wall. It's not just you as an example

I'm just saying, I think there are a lot of people like me.

Mor apathetic

I didnt say *I* didnt get that it was hyperbole

but invigorated by Trump not being as retarded as he seemed

and the Dems being more retarded than ever before

I don't see how ANYTHING he does besides start a war or crash the economy is going to cost him votes

I really can't even think of what I think it would take for him to cuck up for me to not vote for him.

What's my fucking alternative

throw it away on a thirdparty

> Have you suggested every tactic? I dont think you've been here that long
Lol. Okay fam.

I don't get what you think is going to make people apathetic about voting.

Like I said before, it's a strategy wholly dependent on Dems playing to a shrinking, extreme base

Oh that. I was mocking you. I figured you'd pick up on that bro. Thought you meant the wall

Start looking for a failed painter war hero?

And it has to last beyond this election

Trump basically needs a proper successor, or everything gets reversed in 4 years

That happens no matter who is president

And needs the Dems to be retarded to a point that will probably crash their party

I know you were. That's my point.

I think I get @Unironic Ohio Supremecist POV, but I don't get what your point is @Beemann

>I took it seriously and literally but I know you were just mocking me

My point is that the discussion is still happening on a 4 year time block. At the end of the day, this won't be a successful model because you're working against the incentive structure of the modern political apparatus. I think you've got to find a way to reverse that if you *really* want to make some headway, because already I suspect that the thing stopping the apathy tide is the Dems, and I wouldnt want to depend on a strategy that must include my opponent making the worst decisions at all times. Eventually they will make a "suboptimal" bad decision and I will suffer losses

So what's your time scale?