Message from @Beemann

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2019-11-18 15:05:33 UTC  

you didn't understand it

2019-11-18 15:05:48 UTC  

got a citation for what you're talking about, only 3 point increase I'm aware of is the Flynn Affect

2019-11-18 15:06:15 UTC  

and, what you're descibing about 3 points is correct, but not about what it means as an average.

2019-11-18 15:07:23 UTC  

I'm not saying it *means* anything as an average. I'm simply talking about standardisation of testing and results on prior tests.

2019-11-18 15:07:31 UTC  

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2019-11-18 15:07:54 UTC  

Okay which standard IQ test are you talking about then?

2019-11-18 15:08:53 UTC  

What? I'm talking about your assertion re: my conclusion. I'm not talking about a special IQ test. The point is that they have to be standardized

2019-11-18 15:09:03 UTC  

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2019-11-18 15:09:11 UTC  

Stanford-Binet etc?

2019-11-18 15:09:31 UTC  

Your lack of response to the direct question makes me think you're still confused about the Flynn affect

2019-11-18 15:09:55 UTC  

There's not a "standard IQ test"

2019-11-18 15:09:58 UTC  

You're continuing to go down the wrong rabbit hole. I'm saying what you're suggestion re: my conclusion regarding the Flynn effect is false

2019-11-18 15:10:02 UTC  

I didnt say there was

2019-11-18 15:10:32 UTC  

I said that IQ tests undergo standardization, which they have to, or they'd be no good as IQ tests

2019-11-18 15:10:35 UTC  

You're not answering my questions sufficiently, which makes me think you don't know what you're talking about with IQ

2019-11-18 15:10:45 UTC  

This 3 point nonsense is incorrect

2019-11-18 15:10:54 UTC  

you can take the same IQ test from 10 years ago.

2019-11-18 15:11:08 UTC  

the meaning of the numbers has not drifted 3 points

2019-11-18 15:11:27 UTC  

As I said, if you have a citation for what you're describing I'd like to see it.

2019-11-18 15:11:40 UTC  

I think you read about the Flynn affect and didn't understand it.

2019-11-18 15:17:07 UTC  

Are you confusing score with score relative to the prior test? Because the Flynn Effect is literally about the process of normalizing scores over time, which led to what some perceived to be an increase in intelligence. I do not think that's what it points to, but if you're taking IQ as a rock solid measurement, it's something to be accounted for

2019-11-18 15:18:00 UTC  

The fact that you're seemingly conflating "one standardised test" with "standardisation for testing" isn't giving me much hope though

2019-11-18 15:18:41 UTC  

I know there isn't one standardized test... they don't all even use the same SD...

2019-11-18 15:19:23 UTC  

the way you're talking makes me think you wouldn't even know what a Gaussian distribution is

2019-11-18 15:20:57 UTC  

It still makes me ask, "what is this 3 point compensation you're talking about"

2019-11-18 15:21:23 UTC  

Which you still haven't answered, other than to say you don't have hope that I understand you, when you can't even link to something citing what you're talking about.

2019-11-18 15:22:37 UTC  

We literally have data from the Scands and Switzerland, and some other countries that have continually used the same psychometric testing for 50 years.

2019-11-18 15:23:07 UTC  

Which is what most people point to when they're talking about IQ decline since it's the same psychometric test on the same "population"

2019-11-18 15:23:31 UTC  

All military memebers are given IQ tests there...

2019-11-18 15:23:44 UTC  

Which is most adults

2019-11-18 15:25:05 UTC  

Why would the IQ testing drift by 3 points with the same test over x years compared to past historical results?

2019-11-18 15:26:04 UTC  

I literally did answer you in the last post I made. I'm talking about the Flynn effect, which others (not I) attribute to an increase in intelligence, which does modify IQ scores (in the sense of adjustment over time) as part of renormalization.

"The same test over X years"
It's not the same test, ultimately. It is readjusted

2019-11-18 15:26:39 UTC  

The changes are minimal

2019-11-18 15:26:53 UTC  

The test is basically the same. have you looked at the changelogs?

2019-11-18 15:28:28 UTC  

So rather than say the Flynn affect is an actualy increase in intelligence because of better health as most Prychologists who study IQ believe you believe it's because the test changed

2019-11-18 15:28:52 UTC  

and even though we're no longer riasing in IQ, you still think it's drifting 3 points every x years...

2019-11-18 15:30:01 UTC  

Even though we have data from countries admininstering basically the same fuckin' tests for half a century and that's where the most solid evidence of the Flynn affect comes from, as well as testing in the Turd World.

2019-11-18 15:30:38 UTC  

AFAIK it's the Scandinavian countries and Switzerland that hey use as a sample since they have required military serivce, and everyone in the military gets an IQ test....

2019-11-18 15:31:36 UTC  

I mean clearly I know nothing about Psychometrics so you can correct me here, but I was under the impression that the main idea of the Flynn affect came from the Scandinavian data and the limited data from the Turd World where they got them to stop eating lead and feed them as children.

2019-11-18 15:42:52 UTC  

Doesn't matter since the Flynn Effect is entirely debunked.

2019-11-18 15:43:04 UTC  

Even Flynn's given up on it.