Message from @Beemann
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you didn't understand it
got a citation for what you're talking about, only 3 point increase I'm aware of is the Flynn Affect
and, what you're descibing about 3 points is correct, but not about what it means as an average.
I'm not saying it *means* anything as an average. I'm simply talking about standardisation of testing and results on prior tests.
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Okay which standard IQ test are you talking about then?
What? I'm talking about your assertion re: my conclusion. I'm not talking about a special IQ test. The point is that they have to be standardized
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Stanford-Binet etc?
Your lack of response to the direct question makes me think you're still confused about the Flynn affect
There's not a "standard IQ test"
You're continuing to go down the wrong rabbit hole. I'm saying what you're suggestion re: my conclusion regarding the Flynn effect is false
I didnt say there was
I said that IQ tests undergo standardization, which they have to, or they'd be no good as IQ tests
You're not answering my questions sufficiently, which makes me think you don't know what you're talking about with IQ
This 3 point nonsense is incorrect
you can take the same IQ test from 10 years ago.
the meaning of the numbers has not drifted 3 points
As I said, if you have a citation for what you're describing I'd like to see it.
I think you read about the Flynn affect and didn't understand it.
Are you confusing score with score relative to the prior test? Because the Flynn Effect is literally about the process of normalizing scores over time, which led to what some perceived to be an increase in intelligence. I do not think that's what it points to, but if you're taking IQ as a rock solid measurement, it's something to be accounted for
The fact that you're seemingly conflating "one standardised test" with "standardisation for testing" isn't giving me much hope though
I know there isn't one standardized test... they don't all even use the same SD...
the way you're talking makes me think you wouldn't even know what a Gaussian distribution is
It still makes me ask, "what is this 3 point compensation you're talking about"
Which you still haven't answered, other than to say you don't have hope that I understand you, when you can't even link to something citing what you're talking about.
We literally have data from the Scands and Switzerland, and some other countries that have continually used the same psychometric testing for 50 years.
Which is what most people point to when they're talking about IQ decline since it's the same psychometric test on the same "population"
All military memebers are given IQ tests there...
Which is most adults
Why would the IQ testing drift by 3 points with the same test over x years compared to past historical results?
I literally did answer you in the last post I made. I'm talking about the Flynn effect, which others (not I) attribute to an increase in intelligence, which does modify IQ scores (in the sense of adjustment over time) as part of renormalization.
"The same test over X years"
It's not the same test, ultimately. It is readjusted
The changes are minimal
The test is basically the same. have you looked at the changelogs?
So rather than say the Flynn affect is an actualy increase in intelligence because of better health as most Prychologists who study IQ believe you believe it's because the test changed
and even though we're no longer riasing in IQ, you still think it's drifting 3 points every x years...
Even though we have data from countries admininstering basically the same fuckin' tests for half a century and that's where the most solid evidence of the Flynn affect comes from, as well as testing in the Turd World.
AFAIK it's the Scandinavian countries and Switzerland that hey use as a sample since they have required military serivce, and everyone in the military gets an IQ test....
I mean clearly I know nothing about Psychometrics so you can correct me here, but I was under the impression that the main idea of the Flynn affect came from the Scandinavian data and the limited data from the Turd World where they got them to stop eating lead and feed them as children.
Doesn't matter since the Flynn Effect is entirely debunked.
Even Flynn's given up on it.