Right. Their values are fundamentally different

I don't even think it's that

I think it's much more shallow than that

You can actually trace values back from political opinions

when you boil the arguments right down to it, both the right and the left, on the level of citizenry, want to make the country a better place for all people, but the fundamental disagreement is what the role of the government is in that pursuit

the left sees it as a necessary tool, and the right sees it as a hindrance

I think if you go backwards far enough, sure I think the lines can blur and it may seem like we all want the same thing. But I think that's for the very vague and ambiguous notions

so you're on the train that the left is evil

"on the level of citizenry, want to make the country a better place for all people" I disagree, you said the last time we spoke that you understand racial differences, do you understand in group preference as well? @J Edgar

I would compare it more to situations similar to what I mentioned, the value of inherent life of an infant vs. value of complete women's health freedom
Or the value of wanting strong borders vs. someone who says the earth shouldn't have any borders.
It's not good vs evil, but differing presuppositions against each other

It's someone's first principles, or starting point

They will justify their values with evidence. Even if it's irrational, some will desperately justify it with anything they can get with the worldview they cling to

I guess I don't follow where you are going with that, Kayla, but I do have to call it at that. I have to work at 5:30 central time, and this is my first week off second shift

yeah we'll talk later then

but there is a method to my madness I promise

I shit you all not...my friend said gender is fluid.

I asked him what class he learned that in, sarcastically saying in my head "Watch it be sociology"

Lo and behold!!!! ....he learned that shit in sociology.

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Sorry to derail the conversation. Just wanted to share.

Quelle suprise

How does a feminist get her oil changed without getting triggered?

Gets her beta orbiters to do it for her?

But nearly all oil change places are dominated by men. They have to tell the feminist what to do and they literally look down on her.

that's changing

lol I thought you were telling a joke

so do I

I've been waiting for the punchline while promoting

@J Edgar I thought you were in this article for a good 30 seconds lol https://www.diamondandsilk.com/blog/2018/09/06/hillary-tries-trolling-judge-kavanaugh-on-twitter-immediately-blows-up-in-her-face/

It seems like something you would point out, too (her neglecting the rust belt)

I wish you fucking people would stop pointing out the states that Hillary missed in the 2016 election

if she runs again, she's gonna set her god damn campaign headquarters right in the middle of Madison....and I'm gonna have to move

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holy fuck @RoadtoDawn , that wasn't me, but I'm totally following that dude

That's me every time people ask Ben who he thinks the top Dem will be running in 2020 (and he's asked like ten frickin times per week). He's top tier at what he does in my books, but he needs to not answer questions like that. That's my only pet peeve with the guy

I've run the numbers, and I guess I need to know exactly how much money the DNC still owes the Clinton Foundation

I think Styx is right on the money as far as the smart candidate goes in Gillibrand, but Hillary gave the DNC a LOT of money

ohshit

it's sunday

i almost forgot

*Oh, happy days, happy days*