Message from @sydtko

Discord ID: 658503025475846187


2019-12-23 02:47:30 UTC  

There's an excess of white collar labor

2019-12-23 02:48:35 UTC  

I don't know the UK's contracting / infrastructure / civil engineering works so

2019-12-23 02:48:52 UTC  

If you're thinking about the UK, it might be a less massive problem...
But in America, it's an insanely realistic problem

2019-12-23 02:49:01 UTC  

A la: He brings up the number of truck drivers that may be displaced

2019-12-23 02:49:10 UTC  

It's like 15+mil truck drivers

2019-12-23 02:49:41 UTC  

What... just saying "It's not going to happen" isn't true...
It will happen, it's just when...

2019-12-23 02:49:50 UTC  

You should say argue that it's going to happen slowly or incrementally

2019-12-23 02:50:06 UTC  

AND IT HAS IN AVIATION

2019-12-23 02:50:23 UTC  

There's more demand probably for flight than in the past

2019-12-23 02:50:36 UTC  

So this argument fails because, of course, the absolute numbers of pilots will be higher

2019-12-23 02:51:52 UTC  

An airplane needs a lot less dynamic sensors so

2019-12-23 02:52:26 UTC  

The question is far more complex than
Airplane easier to automate
Car harder to automate
Therefore automation won't replace the users of these vehicles

2019-12-23 02:52:36 UTC  

Since the *demand for air travel* has increased since the 70s

2019-12-23 02:52:53 UTC  

Trucks are a massive part of the supply chain

2019-12-23 02:54:00 UTC  

I don't know all the history of the US supply chain and the economics behind it

2019-12-23 02:54:18 UTC  

But saying things can't change sounds silly... they have changed...
The economics of making engines and such more efficient since then

2019-12-23 02:54:29 UTC  

TRUCKS PLAY A HUGE PART IN THE US reeeeee

2019-12-23 02:54:55 UTC  

You're just assuming the conclusion that trucks won't be automated

2019-12-23 02:55:23 UTC  

Ok... and that's likely going to displace some percents of truck drivers, right?

2019-12-23 02:55:34 UTC  

So if 15 mil truck drivers... say only 10% are displaced. That's 1.5 mil

2019-12-23 02:55:55 UTC  

You're getting at the argument that it will free up capital to hire *more truck drivers* but

2019-12-23 02:56:01 UTC  

I don't think you see this trend in most ventures...

2019-12-23 02:57:08 UTC  

You're cutting costs... but by cutting the laborer out of it

2019-12-23 02:58:11 UTC  

I mean... this literally sounds like Marx's Organic composition meme....
But I don't know if you know about it

2019-12-23 02:58:33 UTC  

And you're leveraging a certain critique, that's been leveraged before... the automation frees up laborers *to do other things*

2019-12-23 02:58:38 UTC  

And that creates jobs

2019-12-23 02:58:47 UTC  

I don't see how it *necessarily creates jobs* though

2019-12-23 02:59:06 UTC  

It seems like there's a presupposition that there *will be more jobs* and I don't know how you're arriving on that conclusion

2019-12-23 03:00:19 UTC  

@Seesaw This is a huge tangent, but have you heard the meme of literally using a blimp full of helium in the atmosphere for transport?

2019-12-23 03:00:25 UTC  

It's been brought up

2019-12-23 03:02:18 UTC  

@Seesaw There seems like a foundation though... you think he's wrong
I think he's right

2019-12-23 03:02:26 UTC  

But how about the rest of his policies... they all seem relatively reasonable to me

2019-12-23 03:02:51 UTC  

Aerospace is one industry though... granted that works as a model, yes

2019-12-23 03:03:39 UTC  

Yeah... but you can't fully trust the system *anyway*
If I insert, you can't fully trust a human...

2019-12-23 03:03:47 UTC  

So you only need the system to *perform better than a human*

2019-12-23 03:04:06 UTC  

But fails in strange ways, right?

2019-12-23 03:04:11 UTC  

Law of unintended consequence

2019-12-23 03:04:32 UTC  

Sure, that's fine... capitalists are still going to push automation

2019-12-23 03:05:30 UTC  

rip

2019-12-23 03:09:15 UTC  

Goodnyaght eveynyan! The number of people that are kidnapped and never found is frightening. I'm running out of energy even though I do nothing. I feel bad for the people who actually work hard and have to read my drivel.