Message from @Hadrian
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In a later point (I forget which one) it talks about making divorce much harder to be had though. If they weren't divorced, this leaves only premarital sex. I don't think the state should promote premarital sex by de facto. If women choose to do so they should suffer the consequences of it, which will lead to much less of that going on. If the man however runs off, yes, she should get assistance.
But at the same time, there's a case to be argued that if there wasn't such a safety net women would be much more picky with their men, which would be better all-around.
I don't.
I know the Rohm quote.
"Only a few years ago illegitimate children were considered a shameful matter. In defiance of the existing laws I have systematically influenced the SS to consider children, irrespective of illegality or otherwise, the most beautiful, and best thing there is. The results - today my men tell me with shining eyes that an illegitimate son has been born to them. Their girls consider it an honour, not a source of shame, in spite of existing legal circumstances." - Heinrich Himmler, to Felix Kersten on Lebensborn
@Eulogy Is it the one about asses?
Yes.
At a certain point no white kid will be preferable to a child born out of wedlock though. This is all supposing an ethnostate where presumably we're not fighting for our survival
Hitler as chakravartin knew the eternal truth of A>T
In certain circumstances to have a bastard is better, but in the kind of society we'd all like I think it would be preferable to have children within wedlock than promote children outside of wedlock
> preferable to have children within wedlock
No one argued otherwise. But you're gonna have a ton of bastards, even among just pure whites, it's just gonna happen and it's gonna be a factor.
I'm not denying that it will happen, but it will happen much more if you incentivize it via welfare
Personally I will have warbrides spanning Europe and America.
A white genghis khan.
A child born out of wedlock is a travesty, imo. That being said, the child should not have to suffer for the sins of his mother and father. Support would have to be given to single mothers (whose mate refuses to marry them), in order for the child to be raised properly. We must also remember that if the 25 Points came into power, the overall society will already be Traditional, or on its way to becoming such, so feminism and THOTs won't exist in the same manner they do now. Unwed mothers would be a rare thing, vs commonplace, as it is now.
If they're forced to struggle on their own as a result of their actions I think you'll find it happening much less than if they're supported to similar extents by the state as if they had a husband
I think thots will only not exist if you do not support and enable them tbh
Lebensborn II when?
Like I said, we will already have a Traditional society, so these matters won't be commonplace, due to social stigmas.
Via birth control, medical advancements regarding STD's, and financial assistance
I am 100% against birth control...Jewish castration of our people.
That was within the context of fighting a world war, Hadrian
Not peacetime, so there is a difference imo
We haven't been at peace in a long time
No, but this is all supposing having a traditional ethnostate
we're fighting for the survival of our race. Having children is even more important now than it was back then
I dislike Himmler, so his thoughts on illegitimate children is irrelevant to me.
I think you're missing my point. I'm not talking about now, though I think that's a bad idea too. This is supposing when we don't have to fight for our existence, when it's already secured. Having bastard children when there's no war to be fought seems like a terrible idea
>If they're forced to struggle on their own as a result of their actions I think you'll find it happening much less than if they're supported to similar extents by the state as if they had a husband
It's not like white societies have ever been free of bastards or thots. It's not like instating Lebensborn was Hitler telling all German women to whore as much as possible. I feel that's a pretty libertarian way of looking at things. It's more likely the program would make sure white child will grow up to be a better citizen having a happy childhood free of want, rather than whores thinking that's TWP party's big ole thumbs up to jump on the dick carousel. If you think whores whore just because government let's them, it's not true, they're just being more open about it, but whores will always whore.
If you need bodies, that's one thing, but normally theres no reason for that
Once we have the society we want, then absolutely it should be discouraged and stigmatized
I think if you are to have bastard children from the % of women who will whore about regardless, they should be put up for adoption as the mother is probably less fit to raise them than some infertile couple
Rather than incentivize it by supporting the mother and child
Throw THOTs into Convents...problem solved.
eh people do make mistakes
They do, yes, but by there not being consequences others are less likely to learn from their mistakes
and if a couple of teenagers do get knocked up, I'd much rather they be able to have and raise the child rather than it ruining their lives like it does now
I'd say in such a situation there should be pressure to get married as there was before
If they do, whatever
@Arcturus How do you institutionalize shotgun weddings?