Message from Klutch in tradworker #tradworker


2017-11-04 00:30:52 UTC  

Alot of them were forced by the way

2017-11-04 00:30:58 UTC  

I was actually reading about this the other day.

2017-11-04 00:31:23 UTC  

The business owners who needed labor would collude with local government and other land owners to force out farmers and the like.

2017-11-04 00:31:36 UTC  

So they'd eventually move into cities for work

2017-11-04 00:31:49 UTC  

The rural farmers and peasants pre industrial age were infinitely more wealthy than the factory workers

2017-11-04 00:32:14 UTC  

I agree, government is evil ;)

2017-11-04 00:32:22 UTC  

And now their children pay $80,000 a year to rent a broom closet

2017-11-04 00:32:45 UTC  

Okay so lets remove the government from this situation

2017-11-04 00:32:58 UTC  

The wealthy now hire boys with guns to forcefully move these people

2017-11-04 00:33:32 UTC  

Which should be fought against. And local thugs are a lot easier to fight against than the federal government

2017-11-04 00:33:54 UTC  

Without the safe guards of a central government what prevents the wealthy from monopolizing force

2017-11-04 00:34:18 UTC  

Recreational McNukes

2017-11-04 00:34:19 UTC  

Feudalism lacked alot of these safe guards, and as a result the peasantry were directly under the whims of the local wealthy such as nobles.

2017-11-04 00:34:46 UTC  

"We need some manpower for this war. Get the fuck off your farm and come with us. Or we kill you and seize your assets"

2017-11-04 00:34:54 UTC  

Without a strong central government, who will build the gas chambers?

2017-11-04 00:35:16 UTC  

Jones, the wealthy already monopolize force

2017-11-04 00:35:40 UTC  

If we eliminate the government (or most of its power) then that disappears. If it comes back in some other form then we should fight that, also

2017-11-04 00:35:54 UTC  

I dont understand how it disappears

2017-11-04 00:36:15 UTC  

Factory owners can't force government to take land from farmers

2017-11-04 00:36:26 UTC  

Yes. They just do it themselves

2017-11-04 00:36:29 UTC  

Slum lords can't block building permits

2017-11-04 00:36:42 UTC  

Right, they just buy the land up outright

2017-11-04 00:36:55 UTC  

That happens much less often , and I agree, it shouldn't happen either, but government does it far more

2017-11-04 00:37:19 UTC  

Thats because we live in a neo capitalist society where our governments often adhere to the whims of the wealthy

2017-11-04 00:37:41 UTC  

The greatest goal of the wealthy is to retain capital and prevent us peasants from aquiring it

2017-11-04 00:38:09 UTC  

We have crony capitalism. Government interferes constantly. America was wealthier and there was far less poverty before the welfare state

2017-11-04 00:38:35 UTC  

Jones, you shouldn't think of yourself as a peasant. You should look at how wealthy people acquired their money and do it yourself

2017-11-04 00:38:59 UTC  

9 out of 10 millionaires in America are self made, meaning they didn't inherit it

2017-11-04 00:39:20 UTC  

We had far more pure capitalism a century ago, and it was pretty bad

2017-11-04 00:39:39 UTC  

The owner of the corp I currently work for, aquired his capital and started his business by splicing into the local infastructure of the existing telecom companies. An act like that today would put me away for a very long time

2017-11-04 00:40:05 UTC  

So what he did was not only illegal but unethical

2017-11-04 00:40:24 UTC  

A trend you see often by those with wealth in this system

2017-11-04 00:40:36 UTC  

And purely capitalist systems as a whole

2017-11-04 00:40:48 UTC  

We don't live in a purely capitalist audience

2017-11-04 00:40:51 UTC  

System *

2017-11-04 00:41:09 UTC  

I didn't say we did. I'm saying that this has happened in more pure capitalist socieities as well

2017-11-04 00:41:35 UTC  

In the late 19th century, business owners often would relocate their employees to towns they built paying them in vouchers only valid in these workers towns

2017-11-04 00:42:30 UTC  

Child labor, unsafe working conditions, no protections

2017-11-04 00:42:37 UTC  

As opposed to what

2017-11-04 00:43:09 UTC  

As opposed to these workers having some level of freedom and self determination.

2017-11-04 00:43:30 UTC  

They have the freedom to work there or not to