Message from @laurefinwë

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2019-03-14 16:54:54 UTC  

I was awakened...
BASIC INCOME NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!!

2019-03-14 17:40:37 UTC  

We can't even afford basic income just for white people

2019-03-14 17:43:11 UTC  

Mixing UBI with capitalism is gonna end horribly
I wish that Yang will win 2020 elections so we can all see how everythings going to shit when he introduces 1000+

2019-03-14 17:43:52 UTC  

We're talking trillions of dollars

2019-03-14 17:45:12 UTC  

I still can't believe he's serious about it

2019-03-14 17:45:39 UTC  

Especially since he's got actual experience in buisness and he seems to know a bit about economy

2019-03-14 17:46:41 UTC  

My calculator can't even give me the full number

2019-03-14 17:47:28 UTC  

But just looking at 12,000 a year

2019-03-14 17:47:32 UTC  

For legal citizen adults

2019-03-14 17:47:53 UTC  

3,060,000,000,000 dollars per year

2019-03-14 17:49:11 UTC  

But then you compare that to the cost of the welfare systems he'll be cutting.

2019-03-14 17:49:52 UTC  

And it's still a shitload of money

2019-03-14 17:50:39 UTC  

He was on Joe Rogan and explains it all there, but he's not some retard that just showed up and said "dude money lmao".

2019-03-14 17:50:48 UTC  

And he's argumentation is a fucking gem
"Well you know, muh automation, people are gonna lose their jobs and shit, so let's, uhm, give everybody 1000$ per month, what can go wrong

2019-03-14 17:51:12 UTC  

Yeah, automation is a problem
But it's not an actual solution

2019-03-14 17:51:29 UTC  

It's not but how do you propose to get 3.5 million truckers back into the workforce?

2019-03-14 17:51:56 UTC  

And they're not exactly spring chickens who are eager to learn to code like all of those laid off twitter journalists.

2019-03-14 17:54:30 UTC  

You just don't tbh
We have to reform our whole economic system to survive the expediting robotisation
Capitalism is just not gonna be able to work under such conditions no matter how much money will you give to people

2019-03-14 17:54:31 UTC  

Yang's likely an alsoran but the data points he brings up in that podcast are what's interesting.

2019-03-14 17:54:53 UTC  

I'll take a look at it later, but I have to say I'm a bit sceptical

2019-03-14 17:55:52 UTC  

Automation isn't going anywhere and we're far from prepared to do something about the leftover work force.

2019-03-14 17:56:18 UTC  

Wrong

2019-03-14 17:56:21 UTC  

Although I suppose that works out in my favor since they're easier to radicalize and will be down to change things.

2019-03-14 18:11:21 UTC  

We don't have the money

2019-03-14 18:11:35 UTC  

Automated jobs don't send their profits straight to the fed

2019-03-14 18:13:28 UTC  

That's a good point that I didn't consider.

2019-03-14 18:14:07 UTC  

Robots arent taxed yet and the dudes that own any sort of robotic, automated process probably have an offshore bank account.

2019-03-14 18:14:42 UTC  

The only way the government can get money off of automated jobs is to automate government jobs.

2019-03-14 18:15:50 UTC  

Or if offshore accounts were reclassified as tax evasion.

2019-03-14 18:16:16 UTC  

Same with corporate horsecockery, moving the shit offshore to avoid the legal hampers.

2019-03-14 18:16:36 UTC  

Yeah, that's basically the problem with automation under capitalism
You just can't assume that additional profit earned from automated jobs will go straight to the gov and then be redistributed among jobless

2019-03-14 18:16:55 UTC  

And that's only one of the issues

2019-03-14 18:17:01 UTC  

They would just leave the country

2019-03-14 18:17:28 UTC  

Well it would. You'd see it direct out of the owners bank account if they weren't busy dodging taxes and responsibility all the time.

2019-03-14 18:18:03 UTC  

Oh, so we just have to assume that people are honest

2019-03-14 18:18:06 UTC  

Its percentage based, profits made through automation are taxable when they're not running interference against the government.

2019-03-14 18:20:11 UTC  

We dont need any sort of special tax on automation if tax evasion wasn't a thing.

2019-03-14 18:21:00 UTC  

So taxes arent the problem and profits made from automation arent the problem. We already have solutions for that. The owners behaviour is the problem.

2019-03-14 20:25:16 UTC