Message from @Tato

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2019-07-08 09:48:46 UTC  

The most important thing is that Romans de facto let them create their own quasi-autonomous pseudo-states inside their empire

2019-07-08 09:48:58 UTC  

Depends on the time in Rome.

2019-07-08 09:49:06 UTC  

Of course

2019-07-08 09:49:34 UTC  

Early Empire that wasn't exactly the case. Provinces were governed by senators appointed by Augustus/the emperor but the emperor could personally govern a handful of provinces himself at his choosing.

2019-07-08 09:49:41 UTC  

Which was basically wherever his legions were stationed.

2019-07-08 09:50:06 UTC  

That gets outsourced a bit after Trajan iirc, where dudes in charge of a legion would govern on the emperor's behalf.

2019-07-08 09:50:30 UTC  

Basically as the senators in Rome lose their grip of control over provinces, they get less Roman.

2019-07-08 09:50:40 UTC  

Is how that slope slipped.

2019-07-08 09:51:53 UTC  

Early Empire wasn't as bad as the late one, but still, everything turned to shit even a bit earlier, during the decadence of the Republic
When the Republic was overturned by Ceasar it was quite obvious that without real and deep reforms it's all gonna get burnt down at some point

2019-07-08 09:52:08 UTC  

The military was everything in Rome, but shit really hit the fan after Marcy Mark and they go full insanity mode with it and all republican tradition gets thrown out of the window in favor of full military control, which at that point had been a corrupt racket for a fat minute.

2019-07-08 09:52:44 UTC  

Yeah slavery was a big one.

2019-07-08 09:52:53 UTC  

Rome struggled with slavery fuckin forever.

2019-07-08 09:53:25 UTC  

The absolute worst economic policy for any nation, way to fucking subvert your own people's economic independence.

2019-07-08 09:53:35 UTC  

Yep

2019-07-08 09:53:49 UTC  

Like great, nobody has any fucking money. That's exactly where we are now.

2019-07-08 09:53:56 UTC  

We outsourced all of our work to 3rd world slaves.

2019-07-08 09:54:11 UTC  

Yeah, imo what has really shown how fucked up the Roman state is was when Ceasar seized the power
It showed that the power wasn't lying in the hands of the goverment and the state but in the hands of whoever was controling the most of the military

2019-07-08 09:54:16 UTC  

And it brought blacks here

2019-07-08 09:54:20 UTC  

Thanks white people

2019-07-08 09:54:21 UTC  

Of course.

2019-07-08 09:54:24 UTC  

THANKS JEWS

2019-07-08 09:54:26 UTC  

And then there were all these civil wars

2019-07-08 09:54:30 UTC  

THE CAPTAINS OF THOSE SHIPS

2019-07-08 09:54:32 UTC  

WERE DUTCH JEWS

2019-07-08 09:54:38 UTC  

And the first American slave owner was black.

2019-07-08 09:55:05 UTC  

I think the empire starts showing cracks after Augustus.

2019-07-08 09:55:11 UTC  

Augustus gets the worst fucking end man.

2019-07-08 09:55:16 UTC  

Livia screws him over so hard.

2019-07-08 09:55:24 UTC  

HE DIDN'T DESERVE IT

2019-07-08 09:55:26 UTC  

Weird how the places with the most blacks was where the most slave owners lived

2019-07-08 09:55:27 UTC  

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2019-07-08 09:55:40 UTC  

Portugal?

2019-07-08 09:55:43 UTC  

Err

2019-07-08 09:55:44 UTC  

Brazil

2019-07-08 09:55:51 UTC  

I meant here

2019-07-08 09:55:53 UTC  

in the south

2019-07-08 09:55:57 UTC  

Yeah

2019-07-08 09:56:07 UTC  

literally like Georgia, Louisiana

2019-07-08 09:56:12 UTC  

I mean, not weird but it's funny that they chose not to leave.

2019-07-08 09:56:18 UTC  

All those southern colonies

2019-07-08 09:56:24 UTC  

Even after coming up the underground railroad to Canada.