That doesnt really mean anything

yeh i believe that @ᛋᛉKLOᚢ

I cant pretend to know past that point

It seems inherently void of any meaning to create a horrible place and then place beings there to try to make it better instead of just not create a flawed system to begin with, or just not create anything at all.

I dont belive that it is at all perfect

When you do psychedelics you realise how insignificant you are as an individual, having an ego death really puts everything into perspective and you suddenly see clearly.

I dont believe such a thing exist

@EzkealSutekh Isn't chaos what created the universe though

If everything was calm, nothing would have reacted

or so the big bang theory claims

Death is a joke

I dont believe in the big bang theory, thats 100% bs

The universe never had a beginning it just always was

Yeh I find it hard to believe most academic theories these days

Theres just too much hidden and covered up

I am not going to pretend to know where this place came from, it is simply beyond the comprehension of primates on earth.

Fact is, no one knows, really, its so obscure and elusive.

Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing: *"An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing, but no rigorous proof has been given. In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE). Explicit solutions of the WDWE for the special operator ordering factor p=-2 (or 4) show that, once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open."* - Dongshan He (Central China Normal University, Wuhan), Dongfeng Gao, Qing-yu Cai (Wuhan Institute of Physics and Mathematics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing) - *<https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207>*

I would say that there is creation an a puddle. creation came from the puddle but I do not know where the puddle came from.

It's what we all want to know but most likely will never

so yes i belive the universe could have always existed

I beleive that like us things are created

Maybe not in this manifestation, but remember that we are essentially made from the materials of this universe, so at some point there should be a transition, maybe back to a singularity, where things will be clearer.

born

We can only theorise this stuff, the fact that it interests us so much shows how strong our pull is to the universe

Theres a difference between what ypu call knowing and perception

I dont thing its reasonable to try amd percieve a beginning

well going back to a singularity would go along wit the "Nothing" wanting to take us all back to it

Perceiving a beginning? How can we know if its the beginning of all beginnings and not just the one of infinite? like a fractal? the problem here is our struggle to understand nothingness and infinity. But then again, finite beings trying to understand this is like ants trying to understand calculus, IT WONT HAPPEN.

Lol

We're never going to space and we won't understand the truth for 1000s of years probably more, the human race will probably be dead by then.

Can you stop saying "understand nothingness" lol

Can you stop trying to censor me?

You're not the center of this debate, i am mainly talking with MarsBar.

Ezkeal is right

Nothingness and infinite are polarities, we cannot conceptualise nothing but it is still / was there.

or the infinite

We understand nothingness huh

Well i understand yo mama fat

Ohhhhhh

I think you're right, the universe is too big to ever understand, I feel like the only way to get any insight is through psychs, and even then that may not be the universe but just our brains