Message from @Cielodiluna di Bisanzio

Discord ID: 532244851148849162


2019-01-08 17:02:14 UTC  

you are a liar and a deciever

2019-01-08 17:02:16 UTC  

you scum

2019-01-08 17:02:26 UTC  

great arguments

2019-01-08 17:02:49 UTC  

I never said anything about democracy being good or about things that stray from it (representative democracy for instance) being bad

2019-01-08 17:02:52 UTC  

fucking snake you are

2019-01-08 17:03:10 UTC  

your argumentation is based on that

2019-01-08 17:03:14 UTC  

it's not

2019-01-08 17:03:18 UTC  

absolute mongoloid of a cunt

2019-01-08 17:03:36 UTC  

presume that democracy is good then present your version as more direct

2019-01-08 17:03:45 UTC  

therefore you cant say its bad because we all know democracy is good

2019-01-08 17:03:46 UTC  

i never did that retard

2019-01-08 17:04:00 UTC  

not the first part at least

2019-01-08 17:04:41 UTC  

in the spectrum of non-democratic to democratic, direct democracy is by definition closer to the right end (democracy) compared to representative democracy

2019-01-08 17:04:46 UTC  

that was my argument

2019-01-08 17:05:01 UTC  

who cares if its closer to anything

2019-01-08 17:05:09 UTC  

and by right i mean "not left" and not "correct"

2019-01-08 17:05:47 UTC  

and by closer it is implied that direct democracy is a truer/purer (without any intention of assigning quality to this) form of democracy

2019-01-08 17:06:02 UTC  

wether that is good or bad is a completely different discussion

2019-01-08 17:07:27 UTC  

yeah i was discussing wether its good ro not

2019-01-08 17:08:58 UTC  

and the reason why this had to be specified is because if you are against direct democracy, you are virtually against democratic values themselves, or rather, democratic values in their whole picture, and would rather "cherry-pick them" to something better resembling the representative democracies you are more accustomed to. To have a preference for the latter over the former is by principle opposing "more democracy" or just "democracy".
And that is why I made the sarcastic remark that you, as an eurocrat, being against democracy, doesn't surprise me

2019-01-08 17:11:01 UTC  

There is no "pure" form of democracy, there are 5 types of it
1) Where everyone is equal, regardless of wealth
2) The one where individuals can hold public office but must meet certain requirements
3) The one where only the nobles can hold public office
4) The one where literally anyone can hold public office but the law is sovereign
5) The one where also literally anyone can hold public office and the public is sovereign, not the law (makes way for populist leaders to influence the public and take whatever decision they want without repercussions)

2019-01-08 17:11:55 UTC  

Direct democracy fits more into the 5th type

2019-01-08 17:12:06 UTC  

Which is the shittiest form of democracy

2019-01-08 17:14:49 UTC  

>context doesn't matter

2019-01-08 17:14:51 UTC  

<:brainlet:395711607554048000>

2019-01-08 17:15:14 UTC  

all kinds of government should reflect the technological level, the education, the culture, and various other factors

2019-01-08 17:15:22 UTC  

well not reflect but

2019-01-08 17:15:28 UTC  

those things should play a role

2019-01-08 17:16:35 UTC  

Yes but that doesn't change the types of democracy that exist

2019-01-08 17:17:38 UTC  

Only acceptable government is the one where individuals are protected from the threats within the nation and outside the nation and does nothing else, don't @ me

2019-01-08 17:17:51 UTC  

ah, a fellow minarchist

2019-01-08 17:18:01 UTC  

I be dabbin on dem statists

2019-01-08 17:18:20 UTC  

>these are all the ways that an abstract subject can manifest itself. your type fits into my description of the the worst manifestation of the subject

2019-01-08 17:18:23 UTC  

ooga booga

2019-01-08 17:18:36 UTC  

however, not a good arguement

2019-01-08 17:18:39 UTC  

This is a nice summary of my paragraph long essay

2019-01-08 17:18:39 UTC  

i now leave

2019-01-08 17:18:56 UTC  

do you indulge in some

2019-01-08 17:18:58 UTC  

snake

2019-01-08 17:18:59 UTC  

perhaps

2019-01-08 17:19:02 UTC  

my friend gökay