Message from @RobotWizard

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2018-02-27 04:30:59 UTC  

I don't think any sort of Anarchist framework can't be built without some sort of transitionary period

2018-02-27 04:31:17 UTC  

much in the same way that Marx says the same about a communist society

2018-02-27 04:31:51 UTC  

Its to much of a radical shift of political structure that there wouldn't be some great upheaval or catastrophe

2018-02-27 04:31:54 UTC  

Yes, the issue is getting to that transitionary period

2018-02-27 04:32:24 UTC  

So I'm happy to work towards building a better society alongside other leftists even if some of them are statists

2018-02-27 04:32:30 UTC  

My fear, really, is that the people will aim for a kind of revolution or restructuring and only end up more oppressed

2018-02-27 04:32:37 UTC  

Exactly

2018-02-27 04:32:51 UTC  

the creation of a red bureaucracy is something that needs to be avoided

2018-02-27 04:33:04 UTC  

Yeah I think leftist unity is really important, the divide we have in the left does nothing but halt progress

2018-02-27 04:33:22 UTC  

Out of curiosity where would you align?

2018-02-27 04:33:31 UTC  

politically that is

2018-02-27 04:33:33 UTC  

though, tbh, there's some things from the capitalist tradition I am interested in maintaining

2018-02-27 04:33:40 UTC  

I have absolutely no clue

2018-02-27 04:33:53 UTC  

Honestly thats fine

2018-02-27 04:34:14 UTC  

I struggle to call myself an An-Com or An-Syn I'm not quite sure either

2018-02-27 04:34:23 UTC  

Is "every individual having the basic capacity to pursue their interests and maintain their livelihood/be of good health" anywhere on the political spectrum?

2018-02-27 04:34:32 UTC  

Organising a system of production and distribution that doesnt empower a minority is probably the most important thing to keep on the checklist

2018-02-27 04:34:40 UTC  

I'd say thats libertarian in nature

2018-02-27 04:34:49 UTC  

not like those Rand fuck heads

2018-02-27 04:35:04 UTC  
2018-02-27 04:35:05 UTC  

but you sound at least anti-authoritarian

2018-02-27 04:35:11 UTC  

Or, at least I agree

2018-02-27 04:35:21 UTC  

@Nicholas91 thats fure sure

2018-02-27 04:35:26 UTC  

*for

2018-02-27 04:35:41 UTC  

It isn't revolutionary if it isn't inclusive

2018-02-27 04:36:19 UTC  

I think vanguardism probably failed as an idea

2018-02-27 04:36:30 UTC  

I would definitely agree

2018-02-27 04:36:34 UTC  

Vanguardism?

2018-02-27 04:36:36 UTC  

It just created a new class system

2018-02-27 04:36:41 UTC  

rather than abolishing it

2018-02-27 04:36:48 UTC  

The idea that an elite would transition us into communism

2018-02-27 04:37:10 UTC  

You just create a class of ruling intellectuals

2018-02-27 04:37:38 UTC  

who essentially own the means of production

2018-02-27 04:37:42 UTC  

This is what made me leave marxism as well

2018-02-27 04:37:43 UTC  

or rather ML

2018-02-27 04:37:43 UTC  

on behalf of the people

2018-02-27 04:37:49 UTC  

I don't agree with that view.

2018-02-27 04:38:04 UTC  

Interesting

2018-02-27 04:38:23 UTC  

(1) That's similar to Plato's view that Philosopher Kings should rule, which I wholly reject

2018-02-27 04:38:32 UTC  

ah