Message from @Firefly

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2018-06-04 09:06:25 UTC  

If we come from both sides we won't lose on anything.

2018-06-04 09:07:49 UTC  

i suppose that may be true.
honestly, "boomer" individuals may have stood not to recapitulate to capitalism via consumerism by simply reading stirner and becoming aware of how capitalists and the government may try to manipulate them.

2018-06-04 09:10:04 UTC  

the biggest shame is that they recapitulated to capitalism in a smaller time window than the soviet union, and they recapitulated PRETTY HARD to it and very easily at that

2018-06-04 09:12:10 UTC  

so full acceptance of psychoanalysis will lead to catastrophic failure for theft

2018-06-04 09:12:22 UTC  

yet again

2018-06-04 09:14:52 UTC  

That is true, but also completely disregarding psyche of an individual is a common mistake right now in Marxism.

2018-06-04 09:15:27 UTC  

I was into psychotherapy long before becoming Marxist.

2018-06-04 09:15:36 UTC  

It works.

2018-06-04 09:15:59 UTC  

But too many Marxists are disregarding it completely.

2018-06-04 09:22:19 UTC  

so i guess in many ways, being conscious individuals, and remaining conscious anti-capitalists is the best conceivable approach.
i guess it's a good thing we're taking that approach right now

2018-06-04 09:23:31 UTC  

I think there is no primal necessity in consciousness. People may be guided when asleep.

2018-06-04 09:25:10 UTC  

and it is okay to be guided

2018-06-04 09:25:14 UTC  

no shame

2018-06-04 09:25:29 UTC  

what i mean by "conscious individuals" is asserting our own self-determination.
both as individuals and collectives.
the key is to not mind terribly what we cannot fully rationalize or even be aware of.
but do mind it when you can be bothered to do so

2018-06-04 09:26:30 UTC  

I think self-determination is also not a necessity.

2018-06-04 09:27:10 UTC  

One may be determined by another.

2018-06-04 09:27:44 UTC  

then at the very least as collectives with a shared understanding of society and its needs

2018-06-04 09:28:30 UTC  

we can't let others dictate our needs for us, as bernays dictated, and as focus groups dictated

2018-06-04 09:28:47 UTC  

Why not?

2018-06-04 09:31:28 UTC  

i mean not externally.
because if there is no shield against reprogramming, we will suffer a reinstantiation of the 20th century, which ended in defeat.
we can allow those who sympathize with us to guide, but only up to a certain point.
word of mouth would be best, advertizing, not so much

2018-06-04 09:33:08 UTC  

I think an authority may guide you completely. Your thoughts, feelings, words and actions.

2018-06-04 09:33:56 UTC  

i would prefer that authority to be entrusted to those close to me

2018-06-04 09:34:37 UTC  

People who are close to you do not have capabilities to guide you as much as a supreme authority.

2018-06-04 09:35:55 UTC  

but another supreme authority, one you don't have in mind, may intervene, even if i am to assume that the supreme authority of which you speak is infallible

2018-06-04 09:36:52 UTC  

Not true. Majorly only one supreme authority exists in psyche and others are disregarded. This is a main reason it is hard to bring people out of sects.

2018-06-04 09:37:41 UTC  

Affinity to one supreme authority may last ages.

2018-06-04 09:38:37 UTC  

Some sects made thousands of people kill themselves disregarding all other authorities completely.

2018-06-04 09:39:13 UTC  

Including governments, daddy and a psychotherapist

2018-06-04 09:39:32 UTC  

am i correct in assuming that the supreme authority is the ideal itself in that case?

2018-06-04 09:40:32 UTC  

if so, then i don't mind

2018-06-04 09:40:34 UTC  

I think it is more of a replacement of an I in general. Idealization is a main mechanic, yes.

2018-06-04 09:41:50 UTC  

Is complicated. I think affinity to a supreme authority reduces individuals. But also develops them when authority is making it so.

2018-06-04 09:42:58 UTC  

I think we can use both authority and self-determination.

2018-06-04 09:43:15 UTC  

At times we can use a devastating for individual supreme authority.

2018-06-04 09:43:44 UTC  

At another time we may use devastating to society individualism.

2018-06-04 09:43:52 UTC  

And sometimes we can balance.

2018-06-04 09:44:04 UTC  

I think we should not limit our tools.

2018-06-04 09:44:13 UTC  

More tools the better.

2018-06-04 09:45:01 UTC  

Limitations are spooks

2018-06-04 09:45:58 UTC  

How I see it. There are goals and tools.

2018-06-04 09:46:05 UTC  

And nothing in between.