Yeah so what? Petite bourgoise nature of peasents makes them easy to agitate into following the working class

Lenin proved it while debating mensheviks

Im not saying that Lenin and Marx didnt have bad ideas

but fuck a state for communism

And Im not saying Makhno is a good guy

I said he shot capitalists

in their homes

How is it a bad idea if it was continuosly proved right in a series of revolutions in majorly agrarian countries?

It was effective, "proved right" isn't our ideal parameter

Capitalism is effective

The chinese experience alone was enough to prove Lenin right, if the Russian Revolution is not for some reason

but fuck capitalism

I think that the Chinese revolution was a miracle

I read Meo's war diaries when he was in the Yunan province

Mao*

The guy is a fierce leader but vanguard parties just replace the bourgeois and continue oppression

And go name at leasr one ''bad idea'' of marx or lenin

The idea of a vanguard party from lenin and the idea of a state as a neccessary transition to communism for Marx

Also Marx kicked Bakunin out of the Internationale

>mahno killed capitalists thats why he is a progressive force

A bandit is not progressive though killing a rich man

I didnt say that

I just said he did it

How the fuck is capitalism effective lol

His progessive force was the revolution and establishemtn of the free territory

Obviously its effective at building infrastructure

Jesus you really are indoctrinated with bourgoise bullshit

But that doesnt me its good

Go dismiss the anarchist when the going gets tough

>The idea of a vanguard party from lenin and the idea of a state as a neccessary transition to communism for Marx

Practice proved them right, read Stalin

Practice proved them effective

we need to find a more anarchistic way of establishing the stateless society

Social revolution is a great way and an exodus to communes

>Also Marx kicked Bakunin out of the Internationale

How is it bad lol

I like Bakunin, its a personal thing

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>I think that the Chinese revolution was a miracle

Literally the level of anarchist theory

Hello I like vanguards... But for some reason revisionists always get into power... It's not because of the hierarchy... I blame anarkiddies

Revisionists are but a result of a low scientific level of the party

The science centralism party building fixes this trouble

It was a miracle, the revolutionaries were a small group of armed individuals in mountain jungles and managed to destroy Chiang Kai-Shek and establish the China we know today

and how has shit been revisioned?