Message from @ashoka

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2018-07-14 21:44:19 UTC  

Bakunin argued for a dictatorship of revolution

2018-07-14 21:44:33 UTC  

Nestor Ivanovych Makhno or Bat'ko ("Father") Makhno[1] (Ukrainian: Не́стор Івáнович Махно́; October 26, 1888 (N.S. November 7) – July 25, 1934)[2][3] was a Ukrainian anarcho-communist revolutionary and the commander of an independent anarchist army in Ukraine in 1917–22.

2018-07-14 21:44:41 UTC  

yea military was centralized

2018-07-14 21:45:20 UTC  

hmm so like dictatorship during a revolution and then anarchism after that?

2018-07-14 21:46:12 UTC  

More like a centralized military structure and anarchism after, basically the army should never try to establish a state and simply establish communes

2018-07-14 21:46:18 UTC  

However I don't share this view

2018-07-14 21:46:28 UTC  

But it goes to show that anarchism has different facets

2018-07-14 21:47:36 UTC  

well, even if you do take down the state and just go around protecting communes, there are other states that could just come and take over

2018-07-14 21:47:48 UTC  

And the army will still be ablive

2018-07-14 21:48:00 UTC  

see how disorganized defence and assault has worked in Rojava

2018-07-14 21:48:16 UTC  

Protecting the communes is easy

2018-07-14 21:48:25 UTC  

but this is why you need weapons to establish the Black Army

2018-07-14 21:48:50 UTC  

lol rojava relies on bombings conducted by americans and russians, without them they wouldn't be as successful as they are

2018-07-14 21:49:14 UTC  

Russia does not assist rojava

2018-07-14 21:49:23 UTC  

and they are also being constantly bombarded by turkey

2018-07-14 21:49:30 UTC  

and remember that the US almost left the region

2018-07-14 21:49:35 UTC  

russia is aiding syria, AKA rojava's enemy

2018-07-14 21:49:37 UTC  

Rojava

2018-07-14 21:49:40 UTC  

is suriving

2018-07-14 21:49:42 UTC  

and thriving

2018-07-14 21:49:47 UTC  

the russians are bombing terrorists in syria and the rojavans just come and take the rubble from the war

2018-07-14 21:49:57 UTC  

Not at all true

2018-07-14 21:50:05 UTC  

They have been pushing the most

2018-07-14 21:50:08 UTC  

into ISIS territory

2018-07-14 21:50:09 UTC  

i mean yea, they do some things by themselves, but the bombings help a lot

2018-07-14 21:50:26 UTC  

Not enough to detract from the Rojavans defense and offense

2018-07-14 21:50:32 UTC  

lmao what? is all the research youve done from urunhue or something?

2018-07-14 21:50:34 UTC  

i dont want them to lose or anything since i wanna see how an anarchist society would function

2018-07-14 21:50:38 UTC  

theyre mostly along

2018-07-14 21:50:41 UTC  

Its Mutualist

2018-07-14 21:50:43 UTC  

*alone

2018-07-14 21:50:54 UTC  

But that isnt too bad

2018-07-14 21:53:07 UTC  

mutualism in the middle of the desert cool. you'd need to trade with the international markets if you wanna build cities there, aka not mutualism

2018-07-14 21:53:33 UTC  

Rojava is based of Murray Bookchin's thought as adapted by Ocalan

2018-07-14 21:53:44 UTC  

They have collectivized some property but not all

2018-07-14 21:53:52 UTC  

its not in the middle of a desert, syria and that region of turkey is quite vast and with a lot of different environments

2018-07-14 21:54:02 UTC  

They used to have a lot of trees

2018-07-14 21:54:03 UTC  

person below likes trump v

2018-07-14 21:54:07 UTC  

but Assad chopped them down

2018-07-14 21:54:10 UTC  

OH FUCK

2018-07-14 21:54:19 UTC  

youve been beanboozled