I only remember it later

Oy, Luther was a good man.

oh wait Marx was german?

the funny thing is that you could argue that hitler was an expression of the zeitgeist at the time

merkel just a crazy bitch

One could make the same argument about Merkel.

waaaaay more oligarchic now id argue

I just had a real bad derp moment.

@Ralin Storm yes

Ralin joined the chat and I thought to myself, oh his profile picture really stands out now. And then it dawned on me the text chat and the channel name tab are different colors

@Al Capwned that's why I want transparency

Personally wished Rome stayed together. If it broke apart slowly rather it fracture so suddenly then by what the barbarians did to it

^

If Germans didn't destroy Rome, we'd be interstellar species by now...

Thanks a lot germany

I wouldn't say that

But rather have Rome then the decadent mess it became afterwards

by the migratory hordes that supplanted the republic and Empire

GQ > JQ tbh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/549440548755210287/653420456883519539/video0_1.mp4

to be fair tho Rome was suffering more from the inside then anything else

it got too big

Imagine having to save rome from itself by sieging it

Feelsbadman

Rome's internal struggles are teh reason it collapsed

If Rome stayed like Italy North, Africa, Spain region then it prob wouldn't have ended up where it went

It's a lesson for all empires

The enemy within is often, not always, what destroys you

having it at the scale where you literally had to split the empire in 2 shows it is just way too big of a project to manage

comms tech fixes that issue to a degree

more efficiency and cultural flow

Once Caesar made Gauls Citzens of Rome and became a dictator Rome was lost in all honesty

To give them credit, what they managed to accomplish in that era was a remarkable achievement, especially to hold out for as long as they did, and I'm not even including the Byzantine era (which I do still consider to be roman...)

All that land under one banner

idk all empires come to an end eventually but god what a tragedy to see it erode away by migratory hordes and just the internal politics fucking it up

good thing that will never happen again <:npc:502497359419408384>

I mean, I can only look at it from the perspective of a modern man with all the technology we have. Even with our technology, I don't think anyone could conquer so much land with so many different people/cultures and have it unified.

nah this time.... this time... we're all just so damn enlightened

And then hold onto it for more than a century