@Joywolf No. We already explained it thrice, but you fail to understand our concepts. God's desires are for us to make the right choice - i.e outside of his (voluntary) control. He has decided that we should have free will, and gave us the choice. He wants us to make the right choice, he is utterly complete, WE are not and he wants us to be

I don't understand why it's so hard for you to grasp this concept

its not outside of him. its *his* desire, how can it be his desire and outside of him. its not *my* desire that i should make the "right choice"

I don't understand why it's so hard for you to grasp this concept

@Maksim

@Joywolf It's his desire and it is outside of him

That is the nature of being omnipotent

lol its still his desire

you keep dodging

No, it's omnipotence

It is like a quantum particle

desire isnt omnipotence

It can be in 2 states at once

Stop thinking in binary

Either/or's

desire is a state that some one can be either in or out of accord with. it doesnt matter if they are in or out of accord with it. Having the potentiality to be in or out of accord with it means necessarily that theres potentiality

this applies for quantum particles as well. even if you havent chosen a state, the potential to be in a state means necessarily you have potentiality

God has a desire that is external

The want for *us* to make the right choice

And he has decided to not force us

Thus he has a desire which he does not directly have control over

External

thats the problem

if he has desire, he *necessarily* has potentiality

now tell me, how can you have potentiality, if youre pure actuality?

what are we defining as a desire?

we've defined it about 20 times already

jezuz

i wasnt here just c+v

some state of affairs he can either be in or out of accord with that he isnt necessarily in accord with

or is, but potentially could become out of accord with

Desire does not necessarily mean potentialaity

This is a false dichotomy

how does it not?

yeh tbh

@Joywolf It just dosent

Do you know what the word omnipotence means?

LOL ok good argument

do you know what potentiality means?

lol

Yes