@OrthoGoat

@OrthoGoat Especially this verse Colossians 4:5-6

except they dont have answers

thats the issue

Any question that an athiest has, a good Christian can answer

@Joywolf Mind asking the question again?

I will help otto here

sure

Thank you

@Otto Ill DM you, keep it civil - you as a Christian should be able to do this, yes?

@Joywolf Keep in mind you may not like the answer.

the question is, if god has desires (ie, some state of affairs he can either be in or out of accord with that he isnt necessarily in accord with) how does that not contradict with him being perfect

@Maksim

or him being pure actual

Right, give me a minute

@Otto go to DMs before posting

God has a desire, such as wanting us to obey him, because he created the concept of free will to us (and angels in the beginning of time, some of which rebelled against God - chief of who was Lucifer, who created all evil and sin). God can be perfect and have desires such as this because he creates choice for us - wanting us to pick the right choice (even tho he can force us to pick a side, he dosent). Thus God having desires and being perfectly perfect does not contradict.

@Joywolf

^

well said

Excellent speech.

@Otto it still does!

lmao

How so @Joywolf ?

if god wants us to obey him, then he is out of accord with a desire, meaning there is potentiality, meaning he is not pure actuality, and furthermore, not perfect

@Joywolf Sorry, im having an issue understanding some of your wording - could you reword it? I just woke up from a nap im feeling a bit woozy

if God wants us to obey him what desire is he out of accord with?

What does `out of accord with` mean?

lol if god has desires, he has potential to be more "perfect" than he already is. if this is the case, he is not perfect

Ok, give me a minute - Ill speak with otto.

if god wants us to obey him, whether we do or dont obey him, that is a desire that he can potentially be out of accord with. if he can potentially be out of accord with that state of affairs, he is not perfect

the question, to dumb it down, is how can something which is complete have the potential to be completed

This is not the case. God being an omnipotent being has the ability to give us the freedom of choice - this does not contradict his omnipotence. His "desires" are not the same type of desires that we have. Omnipotence means God can have seemingly contradictory things within him and it not matter because he is, well, omnipotent. Even considering this, we can say that God's given freedoms to us - and thus a desire for us to follow the correct choice - are not contradictory to him being perfect. God has a will, and his will is perfect.

@Joywolf

yea this is all a dodge

It is not?

ye it really is

EOC

How so?