Message from @eudaimonia
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I would say that the primary distinction between an egregore and an archetype per se is that an egregore is what people say it is, whereas archetypes are essentially unchanging in nature and change only in presentation, meaning an egregore can easily jump from archetype to archetype over time
based on the needs or wants of the community of users
if they know enough to be aware that they are being influenced by and are influencing an egregore
That's pretty fair, I mean you can look at Judeo-Abrahamic faiths and see that with God. In the OT he was a righteous, furious being, and was keen on an eye for an eye and smiting motherfuckers. Then in the NT he's all laid back and thou shalt love thy neighbor and is much more peaceful and conscientious of the human condition (obviously big JC helped him there, but I digress)
The way that I look at it is that sigils are just another ritualistic element that help solidify intentions. Sigils are, in concept, very minutely different from any other ritual element save their entry method (imagery) and their manifestation (underlying concept, feelings). You can do a ritual for money and use a gold candle or you can use coins or you can use water to cleanse the poverty or you can help others or you can draw an image that represents wealth/gaining wealth/etc. They're all pieces and parts that are enhanced by each other because the more anchor points you have in your consciousness, the stronger the connection will be from your frontal consciousness to your subconsciousness. That stronger connection creates stronger or faster or longer-lasting results
I would agree with this theory
Description in the recommended book after the conversation
@chonkyfire wait until you try sex magick + sigils
waka waka big shit poppin
Looks like a sigil is, to use layman terms, an amplifier of a pre determined thought
@Kru§ol <:cursed:624041058749382666> <:bootie:622898070727950337>
That's a pretty fair assessment. The sigil is representing a concept as a whole and thoughts tend to be a lot more fleeting
Not with me negro
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Get that tushy away
I'm gonna go more through this book and post more hot takes for us to discuss
Then we can get a neat sigil round table
you should read a bit of zos speaks if you can find it, should be in the eye collection I pinned in mystery school discussion
and that is the best book by/on spare, by kenneth grant
This book is also on spare, probably offers a similar perspective
that is a good book but that's more on the post chaos magic late 90s method
which is an adaptation/simplification of the spare system
still a good book on that though
Got a name or a pdf? Im fairly well read on the subject im just posting snippits for the sake of spurring discussion and learning
zos speaks
pdf is too large to post here without nitro
this pdf/book is nearly impossible to find otherwise
high quality
that book is actually a gem, very valuable
just hard to come across and to buy physically it's upwards of 1,000 usd iirc
whatre ur sigils for? <:twinkie:619647999643222016>
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