Yes, I'm firmly aware, but we need to ascertain whether or not the Moors were significantly more Africanized by the time they made contact in Iberia.

I mean, for one, if the Moors were White, why is it we see even a minimal degree of African admixture at the Horn?

This admixture is likely to stem from the presence of the Moors in the area before they were expelled

most historical depictions i find of the moors show pale skinned people. only more modern pictures show them as black

blacks may have been brought up through that area because of the arab slave trade

not that there were not any there before, just not as large a population

Also, those opinions were of England's Elizabeth, my bad. Not Isabella. Just to offer a correction.

plenty of mixin goin on

np

the problem is that europeans basically called anyone who was black or arab a moor at one point

Boi 😩

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(mtDNA)

Presence of Haplogroup H in general isn't going to help us determine *what time it got there*

For one.

Two, the most "White-looking" and prevalent one in antiquity would be E1b1/variants of E

That's if we're assuming that the people settled in this region still looked anything like those from the Levant.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

the clothing and culture of the moors do not resemble african cultures.

the language is not even an african language

the black moors are probably freed slaves who adopted the culture and language of their slavers.

There are two groups that we're talking about here that would comprise the labels for White Moors; the White Berbers, whose ancestry is from prehistoric Europe, and peoples migrating across the coast from the Levant.

prehistoric europe was under the ice

The ones who I think were anywhere remotely toward a majority at the time are Levantine

*prehistoric europe was under the ice*

What is a cromagnon, boi

😩

your kinda a dick

wiki says berbers and moors are the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauri

*Ancestral West Eurasians began to move into Europe beginning about 45 ka. Neanderthals became extinct shortly after this time, presumably being outcompeted or actively killed by the advancing EEMH. Admixture with Neanderthals appears to cease almost entirely after 45 ka, in spite of several millennia of continued co-existence of AMH and Neanderthals in Europe.[14]*

They occupy the same geographical region

That doesn't mean that racially they will be of the same stock.

But yes, Europe was populated as far back as 45,000 years ago

There was a study done that I've been trying to find

But those are the ancestors of the Berbers who look like this:

fact is blacks have an average IQ of 70, there is no way they are building a sophisticated society and ships and invading spain. they can not even build a sophisticated anything today.

Yes, I understand that. I wager that the Moors the Europeans came into contact with later were of mixed Levantine and African ancestry.

Hence the varying hair colours, and the reason why some of them were swarthier than others.

this idea that moorish spain was a wonderful tolerant multiracial society of love and peace is just a liberal lie

they white berbers probably mixed with some arabs and blacks possibly